Can you actually be forced to wear a mask in the building indefinitely?

JJinVA

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I keep telling people that they could sue for the building "practicing medicine without a license". Thats a legit crime, and since this is altering the immune system of an individual against their will (in many cases), Id say the ground is set for enormous lawsuits.

I dont give a fk who tells me to put a mask on. Every :censored2: with a laser thermometer thinks theyre an RN now, but what they are REALLY doing is looking for liability so when a business takes your temperature and then writes your name down, if you are showing one degree higher than normal, 99 degrees even, and they have an outbreak, guess who they are gonna pin it on? The UPS guy, because thats whats gonna get them paid. Thats why our center manager told us to not let anyone take our temps. Though in all honesty when Im in a business, I wear a mask over my mouth only and breath through my nose because the mask isnt mitigating anything anyways. Viruses are microscopic... but breathing your own CO2 all day will damage your immune system and make it ripe for bacteria and viruses.

My governor isnt my doctor. So therefore, I only take medical advice from my doctor.
 

Poop Head

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We had a preloader that kept taking his mask off after pcm. One morning, the preload supe stapled it to his face. He's been complying ever since
 

zimbomb

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I believe there are ways around it. Some people get anxiety/panic attacks from breathing the recycled carbon dioxide, see if your doctor will write you a note. Making you do something a doctor told you not to do will open them up to lawsuits, so they will probably back off.

Non n-95 mask use is stupid though. Non n95 masks only block 5% of particles max, and thats only if they fit correctly and you dont end up touching your face more. There are over 50 studies on mask use anyone can look up on pubmed this isnt new info. Frequent hand washing (5+ times a day) actually reduces transmission of illnesses by over 70%, that has plenty of data to back it up. But they aren't doing that for some reason.
The chance of surface based transmission is low. Multiple Major health organizations have come to find that true. The number one way of this virus transmits is respiratory droplets. Face coverings are time and time again proven to reduce community spread. Stop spreading bull:censored2: with cherry picked information, cover your damn face holes when around people.
 

freehoodies

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The chance of surface based transmission is low. Multiple Major health organizations have come to find that true. The number one way of this virus transmits is respiratory droplets. Face coverings are time and time again proven to reduce community spread. Stop spreading bull:censored2: with cherry picked information, cover your damn face holes when around people.
There are over 50 studies on face masks anyone can look up on pub med. Ive looked at them all, not a single one says that. In fact they say the opposite, they lead to increased face touching that increases your odds of infection.
Thats not my opinion, thats the opinion of Jerome Adams the surgeon general, Fauci and Birx, Michael Osterholm the director of the center for infectious disease research and policy, and countless others. NO data supports face mask use.
 

zimbomb

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There are over 50 studies on face masks anyone can look up on pub med. Ive looked at them all, not a single one says that. In fact they say the opposite, they lead to increased face touching that increases your odds of infection.
Thats not my opinion, thats the opinion of Jerome Adams the surgeon general, Fauci and Birx, Michael Osterholm the director of the center for infectious disease research and policy, and countless others. NO data supports face mask use.
Fauci has gone on record in support of cloth face mask's. He admitted to not suggesting their use due to wide spread shortages earlier. Anyway America is probably not the best place to get best practices. Korea and Germany both have done a great job with robust testing, contact tracing and face coverings.



 
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Mattmac0912

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My building manager all but told me I can wear my mask properly or I'm gonna be terminated and escorted out...despite the fact that half the building including sups are just wearing them on their chin.
 
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zimbomb

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The Korean KF-AD mask sounds like the best product on the market. It's designed to prevent droplet spread, light weight and breathable.

 

Mattmac0912

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So was my building manager blowing smoke or could I actually be terminated on the spot for not wearing a mask which is dangerous doing physical manual labor no doubt about it
 

Eat Sleep Fish

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Did you sign the paper saying you won't wear one? I ain't wearing :censored2:. For the flu? LOL I think not! Don't forget to watch the Trump rally tonight at 8.
 

freehoodies

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Fauci has gone on record in support of cloth face mask's. He admitted to not suggesting their use due to wide spread shortages earlier. Anyway America is probably not the best place to get best practices. Korea and Germany both have done a great job with robust testing, contact tracing and face coverings.



We need to teach people how to look at studies critically. This study has alot of problems. It just looks at raw data for after face mask wearing became mandatory in ONE city (Jena) and then the subsequent drop in new infections there, compared to all other cities. The only controls were looking at other cities that hadn't implemented face masks yet. No data on where those cities were in their peak, and they ignored the biggest cities; Berlin, Cologne, Munich, Hamburg, and Heinsberg. So we don't know how much of the drop came from face masks or from more frequent hand washing, social distancing, sunlight having an effect on transmission rates, where those cities were in the timeline of the spread, if there were other cities that had introduced masks that also had a similar drop, or any other of the many variables.

Politicians are changing their positions due to political pressure. Its an election year. Look at doctors who aren't politicians, they are maintaining that the masks aren't helpful. Michael Osterholm literally wrote the book on respiratory virus pandemic policy. He said it then and hes saying it now, cloth masks just aren't helpful. There is a reason n95 masks are a thing.

Would you walk into a covid ward if every patient there had their t-shirt over their face? Its painfully obvious that its not effective. Although I probably would walk into there just to get it over with and get antibodies since Im in the very low risk category.
 

zimbomb

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We need to teach people how to look at studies critically. This study has alot of problems. It just looks at raw data for after face mask wearing became mandatory in ONE city (Jena) and then the subsequent drop in new infections there, compared to all other cities. The only controls were looking at other cities that hadn't implemented face masks yet. No data on where those cities were in their peak, and they ignored the biggest cities; Berlin, Cologne, Munich, Hamburg, and Heinsberg. So we don't know how much of the drop came from face masks or from more frequent hand washing, social distancing, sunlight having an effect on transmission rates, where those cities were in the timeline of the spread, if there were other cities that had introduced masks that also had a similar drop, or any other of the many variables.

Politicians are changing their positions due to political pressure. Its an election year. Look at doctors who aren't politicians, they are maintaining that the masks aren't helpful. Michael Osterholm literally wrote the book on respiratory virus pandemic policy. He said it then and hes saying it now, cloth masks just aren't helpful. There is a reason n95 masks are a thing.

Would you walk into a covid ward if every patient there had their t-shirt over their face? Its painfully obvious that its not effective. Although I probably would walk into there just to get it over with and get antibodies since Im in the very low risk category.
 

freehoodies

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“Never before in my 45-year career have I seen such a far-reaching public recommendation issued by any governmental agency without a single source of data or information to support it,” Osterholm said in response to the CDC’s lack of evidence on the effectiveness of cloth masks. “This is an extremely worrisome precedent of implementing policies not based on science-based data or why they were issued without such data.”

Osterholm criticized the “increasing number of poorly conducted and inadequately reviewed studies getting published in rapid succession.” Remarking on the evidence that we do have regarding cloth masks, Osterholm found it to be “limited and indirect.”
 

zimbomb

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"The challenges has been is this idea that surfaces play a major role in transmission, you know, we've looked very carefully at the data dating back for decades and research about these kinds of respiratory transmitted infections and clearly the surface is playing a very very little role in all in transmission of those and so I think we've gone way overboard relative to the disinfection and so forth and we've made people feel very nervous about But just you know opening a package that type of thing and I think that's been unfortunate. I mean, this is really all about are breathing. Someone else's are where the virus is present is much much much less about environmental contamination. So, you know, I would not tell people not to wash your hands but I do know a lot of the diseases were hand washing is very very important, but I would also say no one needs to be frightened of their physical environment with this virus is the air they're breathing."

Michael Osterholm
 

zimbomb

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"I don't go out much. When I do go out I wear my mask, I limit my time in the public setting, it's a hard thing, you know,"

Michael Osterholm
 

deeztier

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i wear a mask all day. when I step out the package car, it goes over my nose. it goes under my nose/mouth while driving or walking away from the delivery. not so hard. slow down if you can't breath.
 

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zimbomb

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Don't care about non-white countries
Interesting statement, not sure what that has to do with covid-19 and mask use. I mean, I guess I don't care for racist morons, but again not really relevant.
 
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