center manager DR's business

[soberups]

I'm going to surprise a lot of people her by agreeing with Tieguy on this one...at least for the most part.

He is correct when he says that the center manager is not obligated to follow the same rules as hourlies. The ramifications of his choice are between him and the company. Basically speaking it is a personell issue between UPS and a non-union employee, and has nothing to do with us as drivers. The contract defines the rules by which we do our jobs and the consequences for breaking those rules. The center manager is not part of the bargaining unit, so the rules are indeed different for him.

As a steward, my only concern would be that one of my people would hear about what this center manager did and use that as justification for making a similar choice that could wind up at the very least causing him to pay for an expensive DR claim out of his own pocket.

The center manager owes it to his people to be open and honest about what he did, and remind them (a) that they are not under any circumstances allowed to follow his example, and (b) the serious financial consequences that could result if they do not take what he is saying to heart.

 

[Dagoof]

I have a manager tell us to sheet them as not ready so he doesnt get dinged with a missed or closed

 

[Dagoof]

I can make decisions on making sure the maximum amount of pkgs make service. If I have 2 air stops left and can only make one I will opt for the one with 8 packages over the one with one letter. That is beside the point. Making service on a package is delivering it and having it signed not dumping and running. A center manager can tell a driver to sheet a misload at 4:59 as closed to avoid a missed but the driver has to run all over hell to actually make commit times.

Oops forgot to quote last post

 

[1/2waythere]

I've read the last 4 pages of this pissing match...and it all could have been avoided by a 2 cent delivery notice! LOL

 

[Catatonic]

I've read the last 4 pages of this pissing match... LOL

And you have lost all that part of your life and it can never be regained!

Sad ... very sad.

 

[trplnkl]

I'm sorry did I hurt your feelings because I challenge the BS you post here. too bad.

hmmmmmm

 

[dilligaf]

hmmmmmm

Are you thinking the same thing I am?

 

[BrownSuit]

The only real issue that seems to remain is that a center manager did work that would be assigned to a union employee with four other union employees on lay-off and that they weren't called in to work and get their guarantee.

The rest of the facts seem to still be in dispute except for this.

If you really have any grounds to stand upon, it would be this and I would recommend that you grieve this. That would help your friends that are laid off. Otherwise Screamin Chicken, you should take other's advice on here and quiet down. To lash out at everybody for asking questions and making comments does nothing to help you case.

 

[trplnkl]

Are you thinking the same thing I am?

Prolly....

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Are you thinking the same thing I am?

Prolly....

Kids, do you want to let the rest of us in on your inside joke?

 

[trplnkl]

Kids, do you want to let the rest of us in on your inside joke?

no

 

[dilligaf]

Prolly....

Definately

Kids, do you want to let the rest of us in on your inside joke?

Upstate, it's not really an inside joke. It's all there in black and white. You might have to read between the lines a little.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Definately

Upstate, it's not really an inside joke. It's all there in black and white. You might have to read between the lines a little.

Tex filled me in. Time to go watch basketball.

 

[dilligaf]

Tex filled me in. Time to go watch basketball.

I figured he would. LOL

 

[tieguy]

I'm a grown man a little turd like you does not bother me, UPS owns you son, not me. I do my job and do it very good, and at the end of my day I go home and that is it. if this is all BS ask and I will tell since you insist that I come on here with BS. I swear it's people like you is the reason there is a change in the company.

I don't know I think i got your goat or you would not have responded like you did. Yep think I got it.
Give us that line about how LP came in and said they were going to do on the spot discharges if they found anything wrong. I really like that one best....

 

[screamin chicken]

The sad thing is everything I have said is true **************Just by you attacking me on these post you really do take after the jerks that are in management. I am not saying all are this way but there are a few and your one of the few, just remember if your always an *** it will come back and bite you, and you will most likely deserve every bit of it. I will be the real man and not a punk like you and I will not respond anymore to you because I have better things to do, then sit here and argue with management, your not worth it one bit.

 

[sealbasher]

We had a driver that was pulled off the rd. my center manager and FT sup. get on the route and start to deliver it about 2 and waith for me and another driver to bail them out. The center manager and the FT DR a buisness outside and did not go back to get the OCA, instead another driver had to go by and get the OCA, the customer then said that he saw the 2 (center manager,FT) dr the pkg outside. When are the center manager, FT going to start to get warnings, 3 days, I mean if it was a driver we would be in alot of hotwater.

if i was preident of the union=problems stop'

 

[Braveheart]

from the description given they saved time. the time they saved may have gotten other packages delivered that would have missed. thats the point you keep trying to ignore.

In a way you're right there is a double standard. the center manager has the authority to make those decisions to save service on packages due to the driver getting locked up and he also has the responsibility to explain every decision he made.

In your case you would deliver everything you could using the correct methods and then just say oh well when it came time to miss twenty packages.

So if that dr decision saved service on other packages that would not have made it then it may have been the right decision. But the center manager will have to answer for whatever he did.

Hop on a conference call and explain missed packages with a district manager and then tell me about your double standard.

I do not see how driver releasing a business package saves you time? If the business was closed then he should not have left it. It is a potential claim for sure.

If he in fact handed it to a person then why not get the signature? You can't tell me the 5-10 seconds it takes to get the signature saved the time to deliver the other 20.

Even if he Driver Released 15-20 business stops it would have only saved like a couple minutes. What happens when that box comes up missing? A claim that is what. The shipper could care less about our staffing! They will say you mean you went there and met someone, why the hell not get the signature?!? Now we may have lost both the shipper and the receiver!!

We have all kinds of issues on our routes including our fellow loop drivers. Broken down trucks, accidents, road construction, misloads to deliver, out of the way OCA's, bad loads and so forth. We are professionals who care about our customers AND our company welfare. We care more about our customers than you because they are like our extended family and friends. We want to do what best for them and we are not going to "cut corners" and damage service quality just to avoid a miss on a printout.

I thank you for admitting it is a double standard.

 

[screamin chicken]

You are so right Bravehart....

 

[tieguy]

The sad thing is everything I have said is true your just a dumb***. Just by you attacking me on these post you really do take after the jerks that are in management. I am not saying all are this way but there are a few and your one of the few, just remember if your always an *** it will come back and bite you, and you will most likely deserve every bit of it. I will be the real man and not a punk like you and I will not respond anymore to you because I have better things to do, then sit here and argue with management, your not worth it one bit.

tsk tsk. seems like you should be able to keep your cool if your posts are really all that true. Someone feeling a little threatened here?