Chicago Seems to be Doing Well

[bbsam]

The hard left knows exactly what it means. You likely know what it means. And it's absolute madness.


Merely one piece from the New York Times. A standard bearer of hard left politics and opinion. Would you like me to link to more of this?:


Opinion | Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police


"Enough. We can’t reform the police. The only way to diminish police violence is to reduce contact between the public and the police."

"I’ve been advocating the abolition of the police for years. Regardless of your view on police power — whether you want to get rid of the police or simply to make them less violent — here’s an immediate demand we can all make: Cut the number of police in half and cut their budget in half. Fewer police officers equals fewer opportunities for them to brutalize and kill people. The idea is gaining traction in Minneapolis, Dallas, Los Angeles and other cities."

"Why on earth would we think the same reforms would work now? We need to change our demands. The surest way of reducing police violence is to reduce the power of the police, by cutting budgets and the number of officers.

But don’t get me wrong. We are not abandoning our communities to violence. We don’t want to just close police departments. We want to make them obsolete."

"People like me who want to abolish prisons and police, however, have a vision of a different society, built on cooperation instead of individualism, on mutual aid instead of self-preservation. What would the country look like if it had billions of extra dollars to spend on housing, food and education for all? This change in society wouldn’t happen immediately, but the protests show that many people are ready to embrace a different vision of safety and justice.

When the streets calm and people suggest once again that we hire more black police officers or create more civilian review boards, I hope that we remember all the times those efforts have failed."

If you wanted to, you could have found something other than opinion piece. But that might not have supported your positional bias.

Protesters Call For Police To Be Defunded. But What Does That Mean?

Protesters nationwide are demanding police reform. Calls to defund the police mean different things to different people, and there's no clear answer to what that might look like in reality.

www.npr.org

 

[Fred's Myth]

If you wanted to, you could have found something other than opinion piece. But that might not have supported your positional bias.

Protesters Call For Police To Be Defunded. But What Does That Mean?

Protesters nationwide are demanding police reform. Calls to defund the police mean different things to different people, and there's no clear answer to what that might look like in reality.

www.npr.org

How about you change your society and its norms in order to render the police obsolete? Rebuilding from anarchy doesn't work. Rebuilding from ashes won't work. Rebuilding from within requires an effort you aren't willing to exert.

You are advocating destruction. That is a fool's standpoint.

 

[oldngray]

If you wanted to, you could have found something other than opinion piece. But that might not have supported your positional bias.

Protesters Call For Police To Be Defunded. But What Does That Mean?

Protesters nationwide are demanding police reform. Calls to defund the police mean different things to different people, and there's no clear answer to what that might look like in reality.

www.npr.org

So you rebut with an opinion piece of your own?

 

[bbsam]

How about you change your society and its norms in order to render the police obsolete? Rebuilding from anarchy doesn't work. Rebuilding from ashes won't work. Rebuilding from within requires an effort you aren't willing to exert.

You are advocating destruction. That is a fool's standpoint.

I am advocating rebuilding that which needs rebuilding.

You think it’s all ok. I disagree and no longer believe in small changes around the edges. If it takes letting the whole damn thing burn, then I’m all for it.

 

[bbsam]

So you rebut with an opinion piece of your own?

No. That’s not an opinion piece. It’s a reporter interviewing Minneapolis residents. If you notice, the report doesn’t give a definitive answer on what defunding the police is. That’s a question going forward.

 

[oldngray]

No. That’s not an opinion piece. It’s a reporter interviewing Minneapolis residents. If you notice, the report doesn’t give a definitive answer on what defunding the police is. That’s a question going forward.

A very biased interview piece. Lacking facts. Of course to liberals how you feel is more important than facts.

 

[fishtm2001]

A very biased interview piece. Lacking facts. Of course to liberals how you feel is more important than facts.

donald is into fake facts.

 

[NAHimGOOD]

 

[Box Ox]

No. That’s not an opinion piece. It’s a reporter interviewing Minneapolis residents. If you notice, the report doesn’t give a definitive answer on what defunding the police is. That’s a question going forward.

From CNN last week:

There's a growing call to defund the police. Here's what it means

“Does defunding the police mean disbanding the police?

That depends on whom you ask, said Philip McHarris, a doctoral candidate in sociology at Yale University and lead research and policy associate at the Community Resource Hub for Safety and Accountability.

Some supporters of divestment want to reallocate some, but not all, funds away from police departments to social services and reduce their contact with the public to reduce the likelihood of police violence.

Those seeking to disband police consider defunding an initial step toward creating an entirely different model of community-led public safety.

The concept exists on a spectrum, and the two aren't dichotomous but interconnected. But both interpretations center on reimagining what public safety looks like -- shifting resources away from law enforcement toward community resources, he said.”

 

[Box Ox]

NY times is not hard left. they were in favor of the iraq war. they are too close to power to be hard left.

You silly, Uncle Rick!

 

[Box Ox]

they should defund the dept of war budget

You might appreciate that as part of your utopian wet dream, but Canada surely wouldn’t.

 

[Box Ox]

No. That’s not an opinion piece. It’s a reporter interviewing Minneapolis residents. If you notice, the report doesn’t give a definitive answer on what defunding the police is. That’s a question going forward.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Don't be so paternalistic toward blacks with your assumptions that they're inherently unable to cope with the economy, etc as well as whites. Pretty racist stuff.

This for @rickyb and all the other misguided LibTurds that think Whites should help Blacks learn to live.
That's why the stupid little White boy got rock thrown through his window as he screamed, "I'm with you!" at the marchers.

 

[Fred's Myth]

I am advocating rebuilding that which needs rebuilding.

You think it’s all ok. I disagree and no longer believe in small changes around the edges. If it takes letting the whole damn thing burn, then I’m all for it.

Thanks for identifying yourself as an anarchist.

Wonder how well your business will thrive in such an environment.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

No. That’s not an opinion piece. It’s a reporter interviewing Minneapolis residents. If you notice, the report doesn’t give a definitive answer on what defunding the police is. That’s a question going forward.

It's an opinion piece when the interviewer 'cherry-picks' who to interview.
This is similar to what Snopes does ... factual but biased.

Nothing 'wrong' about this as long as one does not present their article as objective and neutral.

 

[Operational needs]

worth repeating:

" "People like me who want to abolish prisons and police, however, have a vision of a different society, built on cooperation instead of individualism, on mutual aid instead of self-preservation. What would the country look like if it had billions of extra dollars to spend on housing, food and education for all? This change in society wouldn’t happen immediately, but the protests show that many people are ready to embrace a different vision of safety and justice. "

And what if that segment of society who believes the laws and rules of our society are merely suggestions and don’t apply to them if they so choose. How does the rest of the law abiding, rule following society deal with those people? Give them money and hope for the best?

 

[refineryworker05]

This is what most trump supporters care about with politics. Demonizing a city as a hot bed of crime while trump is president as if that vindicates trump as president, how does that make sense? Is trump not the president of Chicago? So if crime is so bad, how doesn't that implicate trump as a failure? It is all irrational nonsense, but see it makes sense if you see the city of Chicago as filled with Americans who are members of outgroups who don't count as real American, so since they aren't apart of real America, crime in Chicago isn't indicative of real America and therefore trump isn't responsible. These kinds of threads are so silly and sad at the same time.

 

[rickyb]

And what if that segment of society who believes the laws and rules of our society are merely suggestions and don’t apply to them if they so choose. How does the rest of the law abiding, rule following society deal with those people? Give them money and hope for the best?

well obviously power corrupts because govt dept of justice budget against corporate crime is willfully underfunded, and they arrested no bankers, the bush regime wasnt served justice for its war crimes. now i know youre talking about what i last heard was a small % of vandals in teh streets, but i without knowing a specific answer, if you want justice people have to organize and make people in power afraid.

notice how trump put up a wall around the white house. i would guess he is afraid. didnt he already call for reforms? you can see him reacting.

 

[rickyb]

This for @rickyb and all the other misguided LibTurds that think Whites should help Blacks learn to live.
That's why the stupid little White boy got rock thrown through his window as he screamed, "I'm with you!" at the marchers.

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you dont understand the definition of liberal. faux liberal would be clinton, obama, etc. malcolm x was not a liberal. chris hedges is not a liberal. im not a liberal. neither is chomsky.

 

[rickyb]

You might appreciate that as part of your utopian wet dream, but Canada surely wouldn’t.

are you sure? america won a worldwide poll as most dangerous country. but i guess in canada we probably fall for propaganda and give it to iran or something.