conference call

[kingOFchester]

As money is the last thing negotiated in a contract the news makes me feel rea lprogress is being made. I'd sure like to see an announcement of a tenative contract in the next couple of weeks

Negotiations are not scheduled pass Friday. If they continue pass that date, that is a also a good sign. We will have a good idea where we stand come Friday I assume.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

How many trucking companies make 1 billion dollars a quarter. That's the point.

Also I would say many more upsers have degrees that they could easily jump to another career than your average trucking company.

Ups may think they would like to have FedEx model and pay scale but they would soon find out they have been spoiled.

It would be a totally different type of employee they would get for half the price. People aren't willing to be harassed and micromanaged every second of the day, constantly told how terrible they are. All for $15 an hour.

How many billions does Mcdonalds make? = $5.46 billion . How much do they pay their employees? = NOT VERY MUCH!!!

 

[Bagels]

How many billions does Mcdonalds make? = $5.46 billion . How much do they pay their employees? = NOT VERY MUCH!!!

McDonald's pays its employees very well, since its sole employees tend to be managerial types. McDonald's restaurants are franchised, and the employees working within the restaurants work for the franchisee, not McDonald's. Corporate-owned restaurants in the USA are typically re-acquired failing franchises (currently at 6-7%), and are typically owned by another arm of McDonald's, so those employees indirectly work for McDonald's for a brief amount of time (they're shuttered if a buyer can't be found).

 

[Catatonic]

McDonald's pays its employees very well, since its sole employees tend to be managerial types. McDonald's restaurants are franchised, and the employees working within the restaurants work for the franchisee, not McDonald's. Corporate-owned restaurants in the USA are typically re-acquired failing franchises (currently at 6-7%), and are typically owned by another arm of McDonald's, so those employees indirectly work for McDonald's for a brief amount of time (they're shuttered if a buyer can't be found).

LOL ... that is as clumsy sidestep I have ever seen.

Sometimes it's better to not reply ... you just made it worse.

Note: Not all McDonalds are franchises and most work-crew people actually do work for McDonalds in a non-direct relationship.

Looks like McDonalds considers those burger-flippers their employees and provides a centralized location to apply for a job.
And they have benefits.

Restaurant Crew Benefits

You don’t have to achieve upper-level management status to reap the rewards. When you’re a part of our restaurant crew, you’ll enjoy a competitive wage, a schedule that fits your needs, a team that’s there to support you in every way, and a workplace that’s close to wherever you need to be. It’s a great way to earn extra income for anyone, from students to moms and dads.

• Competitive wages
• Free uniforms*
• Free or discounted meals
• Flexible hours
• Medical insurance*
• Prescription drug coverage*
• 24-hour nurse line access
• Vision discount*
• Available dental*

Additional Benefits

• Short-term disability*
• Term life insurance*
• 401(k)*
• Paid holidays*
• Vacation*
• Educational assistance*

*Subject to availability and certain eligibility requirements and restrictions. Talk to your local franchise owner or restaurant manager to learn more.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

McDonald's pays its employees very well, since its sole employees tend to be managerial types. McDonald's restaurants are franchised, and the employees working within the restaurants work for the franchisee, not McDonald's. Corporate-owned restaurants in the USA are typically re-acquired failing franchises (currently at 6-7%), and are typically owned by another arm of McDonald's, so those employees indirectly work for McDonald's for a brief amount of time (they're shuttered if a buyer can't be found).

Really?

 

[Bagels]

On second thought...

It'd be difficult for McD's employees to strike against McD's for higher wages, no?

 

[Catatonic]

Glad you sidestepped the intent of my original comments . McDonald's refers to franchised employees as part of its team, not its employees. Just as FedEx Ground refers to independent contractors as part of the FedEx team. McD's has long refuted listings which listed it as the largest (and later second largest) employer, so yes it has been careful not to refer to franchisee employees as its employees but rather members of its team.

And Mister Spin Doctor,

And I notice that you choose not to include these salient points :

And they have benefits.

Restaurant Crew Benefits

You don’t have to achieve upper-level management status to reap the rewards. When you’re a part of our restaurant crew, you’ll enjoy a competitive wage, a schedule that fits your needs, a team that’s there to support you in every way, and a workplace that’s close to wherever you need to be. It’s a great way to earn extra income for anyone, from students to moms and dads.

• Competitive wages
• Free uniforms*
• Free or discounted meals
• Flexible hours
• Medical insurance*
• Prescription drug coverage*
• 24-hour nurse line access
• Vision discount*
• Available dental*

Additional Benefits

• Short-term disability*
• Term life insurance*
• 401(k)*
• Paid holidays*
• Vacation*
• Educational assistance*

*Subject to availability and certain eligibility requirements and restrictions. Talk to your local franchise owner or restaurant manager to learn more.

 

[DiadTribe]

hall DID NOT ADMIT that there were NO UPS managers or personnel on the line. That is NOT TRUE. In fact, he stated that there were PROBABLY management personnel on the line listening.

It does not change the fact that TDU posted the phone number for everyone to see. While its important for as many members to hear what is going on, that information should only come from stewards, business agents or locals.

hall needs to speak FREELY, as well as the callers who have to identify themselves on the line and MAY face retaliation if they say anything against the company.

TDU "jeopardized" the security of the call and for that, they deserve to be called A-HOLES.

If you support an action such as what TDU did, then you have no right to participate in these telephonic conferences. Those of us who "GET" called by the negotiation committee directly will ultimately be the ones who get to participate if TDU cant pull their collective heads out of their Ashes.

What will end up happening is that these tele-conferences will only be limited to select members and general members will all be affected.

This will ALL fall onto the backs of TDU.

Now, if TDU wants to be a part of the negotiation information arena, then by all means, post the bullet points afterwards so everyone who wishes to use TDU as a source can do so.

The "free" speech that is used during the conversation from ANYONE should never be allowed to be heard by UPS management.

I dont care how many of you Defend TDU, its wrong and they need to STAY OUT OF THE WAY.

If they want to be respected as a functioning member group, then they need to "backthephuqueoff".

Peace

TOS

My first statement was "hall admitted he knew there were UPS management people on the call." So the "secret" was out.
So are we saying,"They are listening so we better talk "verwy, verwy qwiet!"
If the chairman of the negotiating committee is upset , and surprised, that the integrity of the conference call was breached, then we are all in trouble.
Do you not have 'company/union' members in your Local? And are we to believe that in the entire country not ONE shop steward is in the Company's pocket?
"Here Bossman! I gots the phone numbers for you just likes I says I would, Bossman! Did I's do good, Bossman?? Can I lick you boots, Bossman?"

The tactic of passing information down the line through 2 or more sources is the perfect scenario for really bad information getting to the members.
PRINT IT OUT and distribute it. We already agree that the Company knows anyway.
And to solve the problem by circling the wagons tighter...?
So now it's 'word of mouth' 5 and 6 times over?
Geeez! Get real! What's next? Smoke Signals?
And for those who grew up being taught that TDU is the devil incarnate, that organization prevented
the U.S. government from taking Trusteeship of the Teamsters back in the 'darker days'.

Read more: http://www.browncafe.com/forum/f39/conference-call-349227/index13.html#ixzz2OTpLEmrs
​

 

[Catatonic]

How many billions does Mcdonalds make? = $5.46 billion . How much do they pay their employees? = NOT VERY MUCH!!!

In many places, more per hour than UPS pays their P/T employees.

 

[Bagels]

And Mister Spin Doctor,

And I notice that you choose not to include these salient points :

And they have benefits.

Restaurant Crew Benefits

You don’t have to achieve upper-level management status to reap the rewards. When you’re a part of our restaurant crew, you’ll enjoy a competitive wage, a schedule that fits your needs, a team that’s there to support you in every way, and a workplace that’s close to wherever you need to be. It’s a great way to earn extra income for anyone, from students to moms and dads.

• Competitive wages
• Free uniforms*
• Free or discounted meals
• Flexible hours
• Medical insurance*
• Prescription drug coverage*
• 24-hour nurse line access
• Vision discount*
• Available dental*

Additional Benefits

• Short-term disability*
• Term life insurance*
• 401(k)*
• Paid holidays*
• Vacation*
• Educational assistance*

*Subject to availability and certain eligibility requirements and restrictions. Talk to your local franchise owner or restaurant manager to learn more.

I didn't include them because I didn't see them . Did you edit your posting?

McD's benefits are limited; e.g. nearly $800 in premiums for a maximum of $2000 in coverage (as of 2010). No sane person would sign-up for that:
McDonald's health insurance plans: not lovin' it - Oct. 5, 2010

 

[Bagels]

In many places, more per hour than UPS pays their P/T employees.

Starting pay, absolutely. But per a recent NYT article, the average wage for a 10-year McD's employee is about $10/hour. UPS employees with similar time in are banking at or near $20/hour (depending on hire date) with no-cost benefits. Hey, McD's employees can pay $800+ for a maximum $2000 of benefits (and likely to receive less paid out than what they've paid in).

 

[old brown diamond reo]

i don't believe anyone brought this up, but the liability hall was talking about concerned the retiree health care. i assume it would have to be funded to a certain % just like the pension funds.

 

[barnyard]

Again, I am still looking into the issue of liability and company value.

Currently, the liability is a best guess. Rates are going up from year to year, but until they go up, UPS only has a best guess what their liability is going to be. I interpret the option of the Teamsters taking over as saying, "You pay us a set amount and we will take care of the rest."

To me, that is saying that UPS will have an absolute known limit to their liability on health insurance payments. The Teamsters and its members would be responsible for any increases beyond what is already agreed to in the contract.

If accepted, I would imagine that we would not pay for health benefits in year 1 and possibly year 2. By year 2, we would start hearing about cost-cutting measures and by year 3, we would have either an increase in dues to pay for insurance or really obscene copays.

Teamster administration would say, "There is no way we could have predicted such a fantastic rise in health care costs and we have no choice other than charging members for coverage. To not do so would result in the bankruptcy of the union."

The company would sit back and say, "Told you so."

 

[stink219]

Our supervisors know every word spoken at our local membership meetings. Does that mean TDU has a spy feeding the info to management?

Yes!! TDU wants a divided union. UPS wants a divided union. The AUD and TRF (TDU sub organizations) receive grants from The Right To Work (for less) Committee. They are proven liars. It's 2:36pm and TDU still sucks!!

 

[The Other Side]

My first statement was "hall admitted he knew there were UPS management people on the call." So the "secret" was out.
So are we saying,"They are listening so we better talk "verwy, verwy qwiet!"
If the chairman of the negotiating committee is upset , and surprised, that the integrity of the conference call was breached, then we are all in trouble.
Do you not have 'company/union' members in your Local? And are we to believe that in the entire country not ONE shop steward is in the Company's pocket?
"Here Bossman! I gots the phone numbers for you just likes I says I would, Bossman! Did I's do good, Bossman?? Can I lick you boots, Bossman?"

The tactic of passing information down the line through 2 or more sources is the perfect scenario for really bad information getting to the members.
PRINT IT OUT and distribute it. We already agree that the Company knows anyway.
And to solve the problem by circling the wagons tighter...?
So now it's 'word of mouth' 5 and 6 times over?
Geeez! Get real! What's next? Smoke Signals?
And for those who grew up being taught that TDU is the devil incarnate, that organization prevented
the U.S. government from taking Trusteeship of the Teamsters back in the 'darker days'.

Read more: http://www.browncafe.com/forum/f39/conference-call-349227/index13.html#ixzz2OTpLEmrs
​

LISTEN, maybe youre not getting the point.

Teleconferences are for those members to listen, take notes and then get back to the general membership all the information they could gather from the call.

If TDU "COMPROMISES" that call by posting the number all over the place, and A-HOLES spread it around, eventually, it gets back to management.

Not that we care, but we should be able to hold meetings without the company listening in. We dont get a chance to listen in on their calls.

If you support TDU, and you think what they do is "helping" the membership, then you deserve to be disrespected as well.

You choose.

Peace

TOS

 

[Dracula]

The thing nobody seems to talk much about is how health care costs are simply running away from everyone. Time magazine --http://healthland.time.com/why-medical-bills-are-killing-us/--just did an excellent piece on why our costs are literally killing us. Why? Because the health care industry can, that's why. When you go to a hospital and they give you an ibuprofen and charge you $1.40 for it when you can go outside the hospital and get it for a couple of cents, the system has gone a muck.

Is Obamacare the answer? Maybe not. Hell, probably not. But the GOP answer of saying that the system is just fine, is not only wrong, it's fraudulent. anyone look at the health care stats of modern countries lately? If you have, you can't stupidly say we have the greatest health care system in the world. The facts don't lie. Our health care system is failing us. And the health care industry is becoming fabulously rich by doing it. Does anyone us else see a problem with this?

The fact is, ALL politicians are guilty of accepting bribes from the medical industry. Democrat, Republican...they are all whores of the dollar bill. This debate is a microcosm of our political system. Nothing will ever get done when it is so easy to legally bribe the people we elect. And as voters, well, we're just plain old morons. We fall for stupid campaign slogans. At one time, maybe, we may have been the greatest country of all. But those days are gone. Common sense doesn't pay for elections, and the horse we've bet on is long out of the gates. And I'm not referring to one President either. It's way beyond that now.

The health care industry is no different from any other industry in this country. They pay off politicians to keep things the way they want them, and so it is. So arguing about tax rates, or Obamacare just keeps the ball away from the real problem, and these threads prove it. Argue on people....

 

[Dracula]

Yes!! TDU wants a divided union. UPS wants a divided union. The AUD and TRF (TDU sub organizations) receive grants from The Right To Work (for less) Committee. They are proven liars. It's 2:36pm and TDU still sucks!!

It's 2:36 and the monster is still with you, friend. I heard that the TDU is part of the Tri-Lateral Commission too. They're watching your Google searches. Beware!!

 

[barnyard]

I follow Robert Reich on FB. I would be very interested to hear what his opinion would be on the current offer and counter-offers. I think that he could also offer some insight as to how a Teamster takeover of our health insurance could affect us and the union.

Actually, I would like to hear a few economists opinions on the state of negotiations right now. We know what we want, an economist might be able to explain if it is economically feasible or just 'feel good' policy.

 

[Dracula]

The thing nobody seems to talk much about is how health care costs are simply running away from everyone. Time magazine --http://healthland.time.com/why-medical-bills-are-killing-us/--just did an excellent piece on why our costs are literally killing us. Why? Because the health care industry can, that's why. When you go to a hospital and they give you an ibuprofen and charge you $1.40 for it when you can go outside the hospital and get it for a couple of cents, the system has gone a muck.

Is Obamacare the answer? Maybe not. Hell, probably not. But the GOP answer of saying that the system is just fine, is not only wrong, it's fraudulent. anyone look at the health care stats of modern countries lately? If you have, you can't stupidly say we have the greatest health care system in the world. The facts don't lie. Our health care system is failing us. And the health care industry is becoming fabulously rich by doing it. Does anyone us else see a problem with this?

The fact is, ALL politicians are guilty of accepting bribes from the medical industry. Democrat, Republican...they are all whores of the dollar bill. This debate is a microcosm of our political system. Nothing will ever get done when it is so easy to legally bribe the people we elect. And as voters, well, we're just plain old morons. We fall for stupid campaign slogans. At one time, maybe, we may have been the greatest country of all. But those days are gone. Common sense doesn't pay for elections, and the horse we've bet on is long out of the gates. And I'm not referring to one President either. It's way beyond that now.

The health care industry is no different from any other industry in this country. They pay off politicians to keep things the way they want them, and so it is. So arguing about tax rates, or Obamacare just keeps the ball away from the real problem, and these threads prove it. Argue on people....

Here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about:

Corporate Welfare – Employees Paying Taxes Directly To Corporations | Addicting Info

 

[Dracula]

I follow Robert Reich on FB. I would be very interested to hear what his opinion would be on the current offer and counter-offers. I think that he could also offer some insight as to how a Teamster takeover of our health insurance could affect us and the union.

Actually, I would like to hear a few economists opinions on the state of negotiations right now. We know what we want, an economist might be able to explain if it is economically feasible or just 'feel good' policy.

Nah, I'm sure he's a Socialist.