Did the Deep State Facilitate Flynn's Resignation
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MrFedEx
Engorged Member
No. You're as bad as the Trump morons.
wkmac
Well-Known Member
There is a deep state, even factions of it but the more variety of voices you hear on the matter, the better. Agreeing or disagreeing isn't always the point as both may equally apply to parts of what is being said.
Some questions aren't meant to be fully answered now or even next week, it may take years to do so. Maybe what we should be asking is not whether they did or not but rather would they have a motive to do so? Start there first.
On the question of motive? Yeah, I think in some respects they do. I also think a lot of this is mere theater and fall under the aegis of what Chomsky called manufactured consent.
Otherwise, just boring stuff!
MC4YOU2
Wherever I see Trump, it smells like he's Putin.
The Intel community is definitely it's own separate and powerful branch. Almost untouchable.
As she said, you can make the argument that Flynn, of all people, should have been aware his communications would be intercepted and scrutinized. So, he wasn't shrewd enough to act accordingly, then, he flat out lied to Pence. I mean, come on. He did it to himself. He could've come clean, they could've then spun it by saying what she did; he talked to Israeli Intel too, etc. He chose to lie, then Pence went out on TV to defend him.
The Deep State didn't undo him, he did it to himself. They absolutely could have, but he beat them to it.
As she said, you can make the argument that Flynn, of all people, should have been aware his communications would be intercepted and scrutinized. So, he wasn't shrewd enough to act accordingly, then, he flat out lied to Pence. I mean, come on. He did it to himself. He could've come clean, they could've then spun it by saying what she did; he talked to Israeli Intel too, etc. He chose to lie, then Pence went out on TV to defend him.
The Deep State didn't undo him, he did it to himself. They absolutely could have, but he beat them to it.
wkmac
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True but now the next question, had Team Trump played ball, would they have sat silent and said nothing? If yes, what he did wasn't wrong in and of itself, it was only wrong because he got caught that allowed them to use it.
As George Carlin rightly said, "it's a big club and you (we) aren't in it but they beat you (us) over the head with it!"
Catatonic
Nine Lives
MC4YOU2
Wherever I see Trump, it smells like he's Putin.
Agreed. The difference is, the SCOTUS process and outcome can be fairly easily disseminated. We can see the views and votes on display after the fact.
Not so much with the Deep State..
We're left with conjecture and likelihood of both. If SCOTUS flouts the Constitution we can see that and debate it. If DS does, we have to prove it's happened first.
Not so much with the Deep State..
We're left with conjecture and likelihood of both. If SCOTUS flouts the Constitution we can see that and debate it. If DS does, we have to prove it's happened first.
MC4YOU2
Wherever I see Trump, it smells like he's Putin.
If the Trump team played ball, they probably could have saved him. Flynn lied and took away the Trump teams ability to pivot. He changed his story which also complicated things.
I'm not convinced that the Intel community actually cared about the call or calls. He may have ruffled the wrong feathers somehow, but the lie was his ultimate undoing.
Pence is a professional politician. He perpetuated the lie unknowingly (we think) and it grew from there.
wkmac
Well-Known Member
Good points.
There are some quarters that are suggesting the leak that exposed this lie came from the Intel community to begin with, the former FBI agent interviewed in the OP videos suggested this for one. People in power lie all the time so why expose this lie and yet leave so many others alone?
Flynn was director Defense Intel Agency before retirement and the Defense Intel wing and the Intel wing that exists as a result of the National Intelligence Act of 1947' have never played very nice together. Was this a factor in this?
Flynn has paid a price and with him so will Trump. I have no vested interest in Trump either way but the warhawks really wanted their girl Hillary and instead Trump got the job and they seem none to happy. My hope is an internal conflict explodes but in that conflict clarity emerges and we are able to see the power games being played and who is doing the playing. My best hope is someone gets too cocky and get careless and the evidence finds its way out onto the web via leakers and hackers.
In my own personal view, leakers & hackers are the patriot heroes and the more they blow open the filing cabinet drawers, the more I'll love it. I'm sure the FBI agent interviewed and I would not agree there but then if I were in charge there would not be an FBI either.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Judicial Watch Sues CIA, DOJ and Treasury for Records Related to Intelligence Leaks Regarding Investigation of General Flynn - Judicial Watch
Judicial Watch filed the lawsuit after the agencies failed to respond to a January 25, 2017, FOIA request seeking:
Any and all records regarding, concerning, or related to the investigation of retired Gen. Michael Flynn’s communications with Russian Ambassador to the United States Sergey Kislyak between October 1, 2016 and the present.
This request includes, but is not limited to, any and all related warrants, affidavits, declarations, or similar records regarding the aforementioned investigation.
For purposes of clarification, please find enclosed a CNN report regarding the investigation, which cites information that was provided to CNN by members of the Intelligence Community.
In its complaint Judicial Watch asks the court to order the agencies to search for all records responsive to its FOIA requests and demonstrate that they employed reasonable search methods; order the agencies to produce by a specific date all non-exempt records and a Vaughn index of all withheld records; and instruct the agencies to cease withholding all non-exempt records.
On January 23, 2017, CNN reported that the government was investigating Flynn, former national security adviser to President Trump:
The calls were captured by routine US eavesdropping targeting the Russian diplomats, according to the intelligence and law enforcement officials. But the officials said some of the content of the conversation raised enough potential concerns that investigators are still looking into the discussions, amid a broader concern about Russian intelligence-gathering activities in the United States.
The officials all stressed that so far there has been no determination of any wrongdoing.
FBI and intelligence officials briefed members of the Obama White House team before President Barack Obama left office about the Flynn calls to the Russian ambassador, sources said.
Judicial Watch filed the lawsuit after the agencies failed to respond to a January 25, 2017, FOIA request seeking:
Any and all records regarding, concerning, or related to the investigation of retired Gen. Michael Flynn’s communications with Russian Ambassador to the United States Sergey Kislyak between October 1, 2016 and the present.
This request includes, but is not limited to, any and all related warrants, affidavits, declarations, or similar records regarding the aforementioned investigation.
For purposes of clarification, please find enclosed a CNN report regarding the investigation, which cites information that was provided to CNN by members of the Intelligence Community.
In its complaint Judicial Watch asks the court to order the agencies to search for all records responsive to its FOIA requests and demonstrate that they employed reasonable search methods; order the agencies to produce by a specific date all non-exempt records and a Vaughn index of all withheld records; and instruct the agencies to cease withholding all non-exempt records.
On January 23, 2017, CNN reported that the government was investigating Flynn, former national security adviser to President Trump:
The calls were captured by routine US eavesdropping targeting the Russian diplomats, according to the intelligence and law enforcement officials. But the officials said some of the content of the conversation raised enough potential concerns that investigators are still looking into the discussions, amid a broader concern about Russian intelligence-gathering activities in the United States.
The officials all stressed that so far there has been no determination of any wrongdoing.
FBI and intelligence officials briefed members of the Obama White House team before President Barack Obama left office about the Flynn calls to the Russian ambassador, sources said.
