Fallout from the new contract?

[Arizax2]

What do you guys think will be the fallout on the management end? VSAP for ops management?

 

[MyTripisCut]

What do you guys think will be the fallout on the management end? VSAP for ops management?

Massive layoffs

 

[thecamel]

Management will probably lose their health insurance. Lose their pensions. Remove the ac from all the office spaces. I could go on.

 

[Arizax2]

Management will probably lose their health insurance. Lose their pensions. Remove the ac from all the office spaces. I could go on.

1. Health insurance has gotten worse overtime already
2. Pensions been gone
3. Most offices climate system is locked with passcode.

 

[thecamel]

As far as 1 and 2, sarcasm. Already knew that. For #3 it seems that ac really is golden here. We should be so fortunate. Who would ever put their letter in???

 

[Karma...]

figure on reduced mip on the next swing

 

[anonymous23456]

There will be less people hiring into management. ALL Union workers will now do everything online. Their complaints/request and HR services will be handled by call centers from India. So good luck Union boys about getting anything done. You have complaints about your wrong paycheck amount? Call India!

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

There will be less people hiring into management. ALL Union workers will now do everything online. Their complaints/request and HR services will be handled by call centers from India. So good luck Union boys about getting anything done. You have complaints about your wrong paycheck amount? Call India!

File a grievance...
That will fix it.

 

[anonymous23456]

File a grievance...
That will fix it.

I have good news for ya. That is also handled by a call center in India. Maybe the Union can negotiate the elevator music playing on the phone while you wait.

 

[catstalking]

Massive layoffs

that's not how it works in management

there will be VSAP which the most senior and experienced will take
the highest talent new management will go elsewhere
the support functions (finance, marketing, SCS) will be gutted and outsourced even further

you're left with tier management than before, and it all comes tumbling down a little further

 

[Thebrownblob]

There will be less people hiring into management. ALL Union workers will now do everything online. Their complaints/request and HR services will be handled by call centers from India. So good luck Union boys about getting anything done. You have complaints about your wrong paycheck amount? Call India!

Do you even know that’s already happening? Quit sounding like a tool. You’re about to make my ignore list.

 

[anonymous23456]

that's not how it works in management

there will be VSAP which the most senior and experienced will take
the highest talent new management will go elsewhere
the support functions (finance, marketing, SCS) will be gutted and outsourced even further

you're left with tier management than before, and it all comes tumbling down a little further

rolls downhill I heard.

 

[catstalking]

rolls downhill I heard.

yes, just not in the way many teamsters here think it does

 

[Thebrownblob]

that's not how it works in management

there will be VSAP which the most senior and experienced will take
the highest talent new management will go elsewhere
the support functions (finance, marketing, SCS) will be gutted and outsourced even further

you're left with tier management than before, and it all comes tumbling down a little further

Sure, not our concern. Most Management at the operations level in pkg car is pointless
anyway. Show up at 6 or 7am in the morning push some paperwork give a PCM. Go to lunch at noon leave for the day at 2 PM. Let the OMS handle everything else.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

yes, just not in the way many teamsters here think it does

I will just tell you what the last supervisor to quit told me.
He said this job is way below his pay grade and he's tired is listening to conference calls and being a babysitter and not actually being able to do anything to make a difference

 

[anonymous23456]

I will just tell you what the last supervisor to quit told me.
He said this job is way below his pay grade and he's tired is listening to conference calls and being a babysitter and not actually being able to do anything to make a difference

That is legacy system that UPS unfortunately inherited. BS jobs and low paid management jobs should be gone. If UPS wants to be ruthless competitor, it should look at Amazon model. However, it means Union shop is incompatible with that business model. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[catstalking]

I will just tell you what the last supervisor to quit told me.
He said this job is way below his pay grade and he's tired is listening to conference calls and being a babysitter and not actually being able to do anything to make a difference

was it an ORS? they pretty much are just babysitters, the only useful thing they do is train FSP's but we are way overstaffed for just that function

Sure, not our concern. Most Management at the operations level in pkg car is pointless
anyway. Show up at 6 or 7am in the morning push some paperwork give a PCM. Go to lunch at noon leave for the day at 2 PM. Let the OMS handle everything else.

yes

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

That is legacy system that UPS unfortunately inherited. BS jobs and low paid management jobs should be gone. If UPS wants to be ruthless competitor, it should look at Amazon model. However, it means Union shop is incompatible with that business model. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

For some reason they find a way to chase out the good supervisors and we get stuck with the leftovers

 

[Thebrownblob]

That is legacy system that UPS unfortunately inherited. BS jobs and low paid management jobs should be gone. If UPS wants to be ruthless competitor, it should look at Amazon model. However, it means Union shop is incompatible with that business model. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Inherited legacy system? You sound like a dummy, why would UPS want to model Amazon? were quite successful doing what we do and Amazon does not do what we do, you do know that right or do you just like to feign intelligence? Amazon delivers their own stuff they do not make pick ups, and they do not ship business to business.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Inherited legacy system? You sound like a dummy, why would UPS want to model Amazon? were quite successful doing what we do and Amazon does not do what we do you do know that right or do you just like to feign intelligence? Amazon delivers their own stuff they do not make pick ups, and they do not ship business to business.

But yet we have to pick up all their call tags...