Fred Throws a Tantrum

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This is one of those rare occasions where I'm glad to have a Democrat majority in there. I'll admit that my interest in this stems only from my own desire to keep UPS on top. I'm not at all worried about us being overtaken by FedEx. My interest is this..... Shipping rates for FedEx Express and UPS are usually neck and neck. Sometimes UPS is cheaper. Sometimes not. If FedEx unionizes I'm sure wages will go up. Not guaranteed but highly likely. We've been on top of the game for all these years without a level playing field. I'm anxious to see what will happen with a level playing field. Could spell trouble for FedEx Express.

Politics makes strange bedfellows.
 

FedEx All the Way!

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Now that the House has denied Fred his special exemption, he's really mad. And to show us, he's throwing another big tantrum by threatening to kill his deal to buy 777's from Boeing (again).

Well, boo hoo, Freddie. You've had your way for 35 years, and now that one of the other kids in the class is going to get his turn, you're red in the face with tears streaming down your cheeks, arms and legs flailing away in the air.

Wait until Mommy (the Senate) tells you that Mr Hoffa gets to ride your bike. Boy, are you really going to throw a sheet fit that will show us who's really boss.

If I were the Boeing company, I'd refuse to do business with you because you're such a spoiled little piece of crap. Their planes are too good for you. You'll have to cut a deal with those socialist French and buy their inferior Airbus planes instead. What will your Republican friends say then?
I'm sure Boeing offered you a good price on their aircraft, especially in today's market. If you do eventually come crawling back to them, I hope they jack-up the price to reflect your conduct.

Your employees are waiting to ride the bike too. And they're going to let all the other kids in the neighborhood ride it. I hear the SFA this year confirms what you already know....that we're going to overwhelmingly send you a message that we're fed-up with your BS and go Teamster.

To those who have cried crocodile tears for Fred because of the "Democratic Socialists" who have engineered all of this, here's a reality check. If FedEx really was a great place to work, Smith could care less about the RLA, because we'd vote it down in a heartbeat, But, FedEx is a lousy place to work, so he's scared to death because he knows exactly what's going to happen.

Payback is hell, so get ready to open-up that wallet and let a few of the moths out.


•An airline provides air transport services for passengers or freight, generally with a recognized operating certificate or license. Airlines lease or own their aircraft with which to supply these services and may form partnerships or alliances with other airlines for mutual benefit.”
Since FedEx transports freight they are an airline. In fact they are one of the largest airlines in the world. FedEx Express is an air transport company. To say that planes don’t deliver packages is incorrect. Thousands of packages are delivered airport to airport everyday. Not to mention the fact that a plane will carry a package thousands of miles before the ultimate delivery.
FedEx was created as an airline, UPS was not. This is just a ploy by Big Brown to hamstring their only major competitor left. And what happens if this passes and puts FedEx out of business? You have a monopoly and they can raise their rates to whatever they like. I commend FedEx for taking a stand on this and wish them the best of luck.
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MrFedEx

Engorged Member
•An airline provides air transport services for passengers or freight, generally with a recognized operating certificate or license. Airlines lease or own their aircraft with which to supply these services and may form partnerships or alliances with other airlines for mutual benefit.”
Since FedEx transports freight they are an airline. In fact they are one of the largest airlines in the world. FedEx Express is an air transport company. To say that planes don’t deliver packages is incorrect. Thousands of packages are delivered airport to airport everyday. Not to mention the fact that a plane will carry a package thousands of miles before the ultimate delivery.
FedEx was created as an airline, UPS was not. This is just a ploy by Big Brown to hamstring their only major competitor left. And what happens if this passes and puts FedEx out of business? You have a monopoly and they can raise their rates to whatever they like. I commend FedEx for taking a stand on this and wish them the best of luck.
:greedy:

When was the last time you saw a FedEx plane pull up to someone's house and deliver a package? No ploy by UPS, and FedEx won't go out of business. A monopoly? Hardly. FedEx has a large share of the market and raising rates by 3 or 4% (not 30%, as they are saying) will not result in a mass exodus of freight to UPS.

In view of the fact that UPS is unionized and pays fair wages, just how is it that they have remained in business for so long and prospered at such a high level? Did the Teamsters drag them into bankruptcy? The simple answer is "no".

This whole controversy is an attempt to paint UPS as the bad guy and let Fred continue to exploit his workers at will, as he has demonstrated repeatedly over the years. If FedEx is such a great company, WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF? We'd just vote no because it's such a wonderful employer, wouldn't we? You know better, and trying to spin this into a UPS ploy is ignorant.
 

Testicular Fortitude

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when was the last time you saw a fedex plane pull up to someone's house and deliver a package? No ploy by ups, and fedex won't go out of business. A monopoly? Hardly. Fedex has a large share of the market and raising rates by 3 or 4% (not 30%, as they are saying) will not result in a mass exodus of freight to ups.

In view of the fact that ups is unionized and pays fair wages, just how is it that they have remained in business for so long and prospered at such a high level? Did the teamsters drag them into bankruptcy? The simple answer is "no".

This whole controversy is an attempt to paint ups as the bad guy and let fred continue to exploit his workers at will, as he has demonstrated repeatedly over the years. If fedex is such a great company, what are they afraid of? We'd just vote no because it's such a wonderful employer, wouldn't we? You know better, and trying to spin this into a ups ploy is ignorant.
when the stockholders of fedex get smart and oust Fred S and replace him with someone who is competent then fedex will hopefully be run fiscally responsible.by eliminating the ground and home divisions and giving the express division the packages to deliver, fedex could lower their prices by doing more volume, stops per hour.eliminate all the useless corporate executives of the ground and home divisions, freds buddies.as i have posted before if fedex delivery system was run like the ups delivery system our areas would be greatly reduced and stops per hour improved by 100 per cent or more.this can easily be done by a gradual elimination of fedex ground and home by zip code delivery areas.by treating the employees with a decent wage per hour and a better benefits package there would be no unionization movement needed or lawsuits for wage per hour disputes.as of now the fedex corporation is not a good company to work for unless you are a friend.o.friend[friend of fred]
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
when the stockholders of fedex get smart and oust Fred S and replace him with someone who is competent then fedex will hopefully be run fiscally responsible.by eliminating the ground and home divisions and giving the express division the packages to deliver, fedex could lower their prices by doing more volume, stops per hour.eliminate all the useless corporate executives of the ground and home divisions, freds buddies.as i have posted before if fedex delivery system was run like the ups delivery system our areas would be greatly reduced and stops per hour improved by 100 per cent or more.this can easily be done by a gradual elimination of fedex ground and home by zip code delivery areas.by treating the employees with a decent wage per hour and a better benefits package there would be no unionization movement needed or lawsuits for wage per hour disputes.as of now the fedex corporation is not a good company to work for unless you are a friend.o.friend[friend of fred]

We have a new acronym named FUF, because he's been FAE (Blanking All Employees) for so long. Remember, if it isn't an acronym, it isn't FedEx.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
when the stockholders of fedex get smart and oust Fred S and replace him with someone who is competent then fedex will hopefully be run fiscally responsible.by eliminating the ground and home divisions and giving the express division the packages to deliver, fedex could lower their prices by doing more volume, stops per hour.eliminate all the useless corporate executives of the ground and home divisions, freds buddies.as i have posted before if fedex delivery system was run like the ups delivery system our areas would be greatly reduced and stops per hour improved by 100 per cent or more.this can easily be done by a gradual elimination of fedex ground and home by zip code delivery areas.by treating the employees with a decent wage per hour and a better benefits package there would be no unionization movement needed or lawsuits for wage per hour disputes.as of now the fedex corporation is not a good company to work for unless you are a friend.o.friend[friend of fred]
if they were fiscally responsible, wouldn't they eliminat the express operations and move the freight to the .ss expensive and more updated ground network? please try to answer that question with all prejudices aside.
 

59 Dano

I just want to make friends!
if they were fiscally responsible, wouldn't they eliminat the express operations and move the freight to the .ss expensive and more updated ground network? please try to answer that question with all prejudices aside.

Probably not. Despite the rhetoric to the contrary, about the only similarities between Ground and Express are that they pick up and deliver packages.

Shifting the Express services to the Ground network would be ugly. The Ground network isn't designed to do what the Express network does.

Anything is possible, but I'd have severe doubts about trying to absorb Express into Ground.
 

Ricochet1a

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if they were fiscally responsible, wouldn't they eliminat the express operations and move the freight to the .ss expensive and more updated ground network? please try to answer that question with all prejudices aside.

With all prejudices aside...

Ground is focused on the lowest cost possible to move a package from A to B. It isn't a service oriented operation, it is cost/price oriented. The "Worldwide Service Centers" are all still Express manned, not Ground. Which does create an issue. Express is spending manpower dollars on customers coming in with packages, having the data entered for a label to be generated, then handling the packages out to the Ground pickup point in the stations.We are already performing customer service for Ground.

My customers want the low price of Ground, but they want Express service. They get Express service with their Express shipments. They get the 1-800 # for their Ground shipments (and a day or two delay in their getting picked up). If Fred tried to implement same day, on call pickups for Ground, he'd be in a bind. The helpers would be out performing their task without interference, then would be "interfered with" with a request to stop what they are doing to pick up a package. You can do that with employees, not a contractor. I know bbsam is going to say, "you can contract for pickups". Yes you can, they do it now. But those pickup requests are generated before they leave the building, not while en route.
 

bbsam

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Staff member
With all prejudices aside...

Ground is focused on the lowest cost possible to move a package from A to B. It isn't a service oriented operation, it is cost/price oriented. The "Worldwide Service Centers" are all still Express manned, not Ground. Which does create an issue. Express is spending manpower dollars on customers coming in with packages, having the data entered for a label to be generated, then handling the packages out to the Ground pickup point in the stations.We are already performing customer service for Ground.

My customers want the low price of Ground, but they want Express service. They get Express service with their Express shipments. They get the 1-800 # for their Ground shipments (and a day or two delay in their getting picked up). If Fred tried to implement same day, on call pickups for Ground, he'd be in a bind. The helpers would be out performing their task without interference, then would be "interfered with" with a request to stop what they are doing to pick up a package. You can do that with employees, not a contractor. I know bbsam is going to say, "you can contract for pickups". Yes you can, they do it now. But those pickup requests are generated before they leave the building, not while en route.
thank-you. i continue to look forward to your genuine and thoughtful posts. same day pickups are something that's been talked about around the building. as things stand now, i'm dead set against it. i get probably 3 to 5 request a week from management same day call in pickups and my response depends on several things. number of packages, closing time, customer's future potential, how much time my drivers have to get there. but should the company decide they want to offer that servic in the same capacity, then yes, it will cost them and it will be worth my time or it will not be a service the company will want to offer because it will bring so many customer complaints.
 

SmithBarney

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same day pickup? how about same week or month...

Because we at express are "expressly" forbidden to pup ground packages
I've been watching a ground package for about 3 weeks at one of my regular stops.

Customer has called numerous times.. but since its not a crucial shipment they
are in no hurry.

Its a shame that service suffers for the almighty dollar..
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
same day pickup? how about same week or month...

Because we at express are "expressly" forbidden to pup ground packages
I've been watching a ground package for about 3 weeks at one of my regular stops.

Customer has called numerous times.. but since its not a crucial shipment they
are in no hurry.

Its a shame that service suffers for the almighty dollar..


Ground service is pretty bad. I have customers walk up to me all the time with mis-delivered Ground and have had several shippers who just get blown-off for a day or two when the Ground guy doesn't come by to do his pickup. I can't take their pkgs, and they get ticked when I try to explain that we are not allowed to do so.

If the IC's ever become employees this will change. Higher pay and some benefits will draw a higher caliber of employee who will actually care about service. Even if shipping costs rise slightly, there are many shippers who would appreciate a more reliable Ground network.
 

DOWNTRODDEN IN TEXAS

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I'll do my best to post up our version of this. May have to type it in


Why the Railway Labor Act Must Be Amended


No Rhetoric, No Spin, No Multi-million Dollar Campaign to Distort Reality…

JUST THE FACTS
Despite its efforts to distort the truth, FedEx Express can't avoid the facts: its drivers do the same job as every other driver in the industry, including UPS drivers. The Railway Labor Act (RLA) must be amended to eliminate the special treatment received by FedEx due to the unequal application of labor laws.
Ten Very Basic Facts
Fact despite the name-calling by FedEx, this issue is about fairness in competition and correcting a long-standing earmark provided to FedEx. Fact:UPS wants Congress to eliminate special treatment provided to FedEx and place FedEx Express drivers and other ground employees under the appropriate labor law, the National Labor Relations Act.
Fact:UPS is the strongest company in its industry and is not seeking a "bailout" from Congress…the company is working to eliminate the earmark given to FedEx. Fact:FedEx Express is the only company in the express delivery industry with its drivers, loaders and sorters governed by the RLA, a law designed for airlines and railroads. Fact:UPS and FedEx have similar operations and both transport packages by airplane. However, your package isn't delivered to your door by a pilot of an airplane. The package must be placed on a truck and is driven by a delivery driver to your place of business or home.
Fact:UPS and FedEx both deliver approximately 2.5 million express packages each day.Fact:The only unionized FedEx employee group is its RLA-governed pilots group. There is no factual basis for FedEx's assertion that placing the appropriate employees under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) means immediate unionization for the company.
Fact:FedEx currently has more than 100,000 NLRA-governed employees who are not unionized. Yet, the company is trying to convince the U.S. Congress and customers that amending the RLA will increase its labor costs. FedEx's history doesn't demonstrate that its NLRA-governed employees will be unionized. Fact:Amending the RLA will appropriately level the playing field in the express delivery industry.
Fact:Telling the truth doesn't cost anything…especially a multi-million dollar campaign. As part of its "multi-million dollar lobbying campaign," FedEx stated in a June 9 press release that "UPS and FedEx are fundamentally different companies." Really? Someone needs to read Fact #10.
 
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