G'mornin' UPSer's. There's new news out there in regards to the Amazon Effect

[KoennenTiger]

Is this guy a bot or what?

 

[El Correcto]

“Our members know that they work in a changing industry, driven by e-commerce and the ‘Amazon effect,’ where consumers want fast delivery and weekend delivery,” said Denis T, Director of the Teamsters Package Division and Co-Chairman of the Teamsters National UPS Negotiating Committee. “This new classification reflects this changing world while protecting our package-car drivers’ weekends, creating more full-time jobs and addressing excessive overtime.”

“We know how important weekends are for package-car drivers, to be able to attend their child’s activity or go away for a couple of days, and we also know how excessive, forced overtime has created upheaval within families,” Taylor said. “These new 22.4 Combination Driver jobs will address these important issues while also creating a new career position with the same excellent Teamster-negotiated benefits and a family wage.”

 

[Ancient Alien]

Why is it necessary to create a permanently lower-paid class of full time driver that has no overtime protections?

Paying them less and saying “ your families. We created your positions so we could have time with our own” sure doesn’t seem like something that’d be good for Union cohesion in the future.

The working environment has changed. Pensions are failing across the nation. UPS is a nation of PT jobs. Employees don't want to realize that UPS makes a lot less per package today then they did 20-years ago. In order to keep their profits up and costs/rates down. They must add more stops/pieces to each employee.

We all know it's at a peak, especially during peak. So they must hire more loaders and drivers but no way they could keep their profits up and shareholders happy if they just added 3 trucks to each building. So UPS/Teamsters negoiate.

UPS says listen you got a problem and we got a problem. Your problem is in the Central States your members will lose their pension in 2025, plus your reducing pensions across the north east. Our problem is we've slashed incentives to our management team with restructuring the MIP program and ending our pension infusion by 2023. UPS tells the union there is no denying these facts. The union is listening and to protect the future of all members as a whole. This is the best way that still provides a very respectable wage for the hybrid driver making over $34 an hour in 5-years.

UPS is in need of new planes, trucks and buildings. They must always have a surplus of cash.

IBT is in need of more members producing more revenue into our pensions.

Don't kid yourself that UPS couldn't lock us all out and hire maybe 60,000 drivers off the street and sift through scabs willing to come back to drive at their pay and hire the other 60,000 at $20 an hour as ALL NON UNION employees. Don't forget now the Jobs report in May added 223,000 jobs when our country needs to be at 150,000 added per month. There's workers out there itching to be employees at UPS... Union or NO Union. Plus, let's not forget it's known as a "Democratic Union", the Republicans and Trump would love nothing more than to see the Teamsters fade away.

So forget about getting $10 more an hour of the life of the contract and FOCUS on maintaining a healthy lifestyle on a very, very decent BLUE COLLAR wage!

Smile! Fitty Luvs Ya!

 

[KoennenTiger]

Blah blah blah ups is making records profits, increasing the amount of money they pay out to the 1% ownership class who do nothing at all but spend fiat fake money and hoover up all the productivity increases for the last fifty years through ever constantly increasing dividend payouts. Meanwhile the corporate s get massive multi million dollar bonuses to over workers and transfer our hard earned productivity to the top 1% ownership class. And you come in here with your constant posts that look like some script bot makes.

Happy Sunday morning hope you enjoyed church.

 

[DOK]

And moving your start time to 11:30 am because the hybrid will be doing your morning work is great huh. You’ll get your 8 hours and be punching out at 8:30pm, yay!

Fake news.

Gotta think like Ups bruh

 

[El Correcto]

The working environment has changed. Pensions are failing across the nation. UPS is a nation of PT jobs. Employees don't want to realize that UPS makes a lot less per package today then they did 20-years ago. In order to keep their profits up and costs/rates down. They must add more stops/pieces to each employee.

We all know it's at a peak, especially during peak. So they must hire more loaders and drivers but no way they could keep their profits up and shareholders happy if they just added 3 trucks to each building. So UPS/Teamsters negoiate.

UPS says listen you got a problem and we got a problem. Your problem is in the Central States your members will lose their pension in 2025, plus your reducing pensions across the north east. Our problem is we've slashed incentives to our management team with restructuring the MIP program and ending our pension infusion by 2023. UPS tells the union there is no denying these facts. The union is listening and to protect the future of all members as a whole. This is the best way that still provides a very respectable wage for the hybrid driver making over $34 an hour in 5-years.

UPS is in need of new planes, trucks and buildings. They must always have a surplus of cash.

IBT is in need of more members producing more revenue into our pensions.

Don't kid yourself that UPS couldn't lock us all out and hire maybe 60,000 drivers off the street and sift through scabs willing to come back to drive at their pay and hire the other 60,000 at $20 an hour as ALL NON UNION employees. Don't forget now the Jobs report in May added 223,000 jobs when our country needs to be at 150,000 added per month. There's workers out there itching to be employees at UPS... Union or NO Union. Plus, let's not forget it's known as a "Democratic Union", the Republicans and Trump would love nothing more than to see the Teamsters fade away.

So forget about getting $10 more an hour of the life of the contract and FOCUS on maintaining a healthy lifestyle on a very, very decent BLUE COLLAR wage!

Smile! Fitty Luvs Ya!

The same company that struggle to train 3 drivers a month or cover a sick day for one employee is going to replace us all of we vote down this ty contract.
Good luck with all that.

 

[Brownsocks]

I understand the 'Angry 45', they're PO'd about working 70 hours late last fall. Clocking out at 11pm. They want revenge. They want justice! So to them, they've hardwired their brain to "Strike, Strike, Strike"... and it's even accentuated with their consumption of grundles of Gayle Ales. I get where they're coming from.

It's eating them up to be anti-establishment for all the wrongs they've endured over their careers. Walking out is like Senior Skip Day at school. The ol' 'Ha! We showed you!'

The business world unfortunately doesn't work like that. You must now re-wire your brain to forgive, forget and move on.

Striking now compared to 1997 would be disaterous. You must push your harsh feelings aside and focus on what's good about this contract. The committee addressed every single most important issue from every local. You can't ask for anything more from your negotiators fighting for you. You all asked for it and the IBT went out and made it happen and now your upset! WTH!?!

Listen, I am sorry $65,000-$120,000 a year isn't cutting the mustard for you guys paying $2800 rent for a 1-bedroom apt in Manhattan. Yet, understand the rest of us outside of the Eastern seaboard or L.A. are living pretty damn good as worker bees at UPS.

You need $150,000 to survive. Become a UPS manager. They earn that. You want happiness & security as a UPS FT employee. Transfer... move to Queens and live like a King!

The IBT/ups (can't separate the two) are trying to screw us. +25% GUARANTEED 40 hours a week while current fulltime guaranteed only if work is available? Yeah right!!
Most pt in my hub are voting no because of the bullcrap wage increase anyway. Keep bricking me out because it just inspires me to vote no even more.
friend.Y.I: If part time was really interested in ft than we wouldn't be hiring outside almost exclusively now. Truth is most pt either cant cut driving, have bad driving records or dont want ft work.

 

[Brownsocks]

The working environment has changed. Pensions are failing across the nation. UPS is a nation of PT jobs. Employees don't want to realize that UPS makes a lot less per package today then they did 20-years ago. In order to keep their profits up and costs/rates down. They must add more stops/pieces to each employee.

We all know it's at a peak, especially during peak. So they must hire more loaders and drivers but no way they could keep their profits up and shareholders happy if they just added 3 trucks to each building. So UPS/Teamsters negoiate.

UPS says listen you got a problem and we got a problem. Your problem is in the Central States your members will lose their pension in 2025, plus your reducing pensions across the north east. Our problem is we've slashed incentives to our management team with restructuring the MIP program and ending our pension infusion by 2023. UPS tells the union there is no denying these facts. The union is listening and to protect the future of all members as a whole. This is the best way that still provides a very respectable wage for the hybrid driver making over $34 an hour in 5-years.

UPS is in need of new planes, trucks and buildings. They must always have a surplus of cash.

IBT is in need of more members producing more revenue into our pensions.

Don't kid yourself that UPS couldn't lock us all out and hire maybe 60,000 drivers off the street and sift through scabs willing to come back to drive at their pay and hire the other 60,000 at $20 an hour as ALL NON UNION employees. Don't forget now the Jobs report in May added 223,000 jobs when our country needs to be at 150,000 added per month. There's workers out there itching to be employees at UPS... Union or NO Union. Plus, let's not forget it's known as a "Democratic Union", the Republicans and Trump would love nothing more than to see the Teamsters fade away.

So forget about getting $10 more an hour of the life of the contract and FOCUS on maintaining a healthy lifestyle on a very, very decent BLUE COLLAR wage!

Smile! Fitty Luvs Ya!

The jobs report also said more jobs than people to fill them.

 

[DOK]

And moving your start time to 11:30 am because the hybrid will be doing your morning work is great huh. You’ll get your 8 hours and be punching out at 8:30pm, yay!

Fake news.

Think about it. In a 40 driver center they can hire 10 hybrids, you think they’re all gonna start us at the same time, and have us all come in early? It’s about having coverage all day long as late as possible for late pickups and oca’s and doing it while paying everyone straight time.

 

[DumbTruckDriver]

Think about it. In a 40 driver center they can hire 10 hybrids, you think they’re all gonna start us at the same time, and have us all come in early? It’s about having coverage all day long as late as possible for late pickups and oca’s and doing it while paying everyone straight time.

I can’t conceive of any routes besides resi split routes where that would work.

 

[dudebro]

Blah blah blah ups is making records profits, increasing the amount of money they pay out to the 1% ownership class who do nothing at all but spend fiat fake money and hoover up all the productivity increases for the last fifty years through ever constantly increasing dividend payouts. Meanwhile the corporate s get massive multi million dollar bonuses to over workers and transfer our hard earned productivity to the top 1% ownership class. And you come in here with your constant posts that look like some script bot makes.

Happy Sunday morning hope you enjoyed church.

You might not like to hear it but he's right.

About "record profits". They're NOT. I know people love to parrot this endlessly but for the US package division it isn't true. By the way, every year, good economy or not, a Teamster driver receives "RECORD COMPENSATION!" too.

"1% ownership class who do nothing at all but spend fiat fake money and hoover up all the productivity increases "

They also keep you employed, and maintain the structure you have the freedom to complain about. The Teamsters are the face of UPS and deliver to the customer every day. There's no denying the tremendous value that provides, however, in the past few decades, the Teamsters did NOT:

Set up new business outside the US
Start an airline
Take the company public
Introduce internet tracking of all packages online
Arrange for the purchase of various other businesses that have truly contributed to "record profits".

Without these things, you couldn't really negotiate over whether incoming drivers will make 34 or 40 dollars an hour.

 

[Wally]

Fake news.

Tell the preload that.

 

[DumbTruckDriver]

Tell the preload that.

I don’t recall our start time being moved back four hours when I was on preload.

 

[Boxslinger11]

ive got it folks we can solve this bot debate once and for alll.....



@Fitbit App :) what does this say

 

[The Driver]

20 shekels says he doesn't respond.

 

[Ancient Alien]

I don’t recall our start time being moved back four hours when I was on preload.

I would love for this agreement to be honestly implemented with the utmost respect for both sides.

I would love the 22.4 jobs getting everything set up for our routes. Using them to get air back to the building and shuttling air and all full time employees start times move to 9:45am with nobody out after 8pm.

No more waiting for air. Only when acts of God come into play around Peak.

No full time employee starts after 9:45am and no Full Time employee works more than 47.99 hours a week. Instead of a 9.2 day (worked, not planned)... it's reduced to a 8.6 day as an average. Fair time allowances. No runners that do the route in 7.8 hours. In fact, a new bold UPS that actually frowns on the runners over the bid drivers.

This would create a UPS that would remain strong going into the future.

Mix in some of the old with the new. Shave that costly OT away by a few hours per driver and those that hate that idea could get a job at Shell after they get off work.

No deliveries to customers after 8pm like Nestle Water, USPS, FedEx, Amazon, Schwann's does.

If that takes $10k from you pay a year and $85,000 isn't enough. Chevron baby! Moonlight at Wegman's!

 

[The Driver]

Moonlight at Wegman's!

How about I moonlight at your sister's?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I would love for this agreement to be honestly implemented with the utmost respect for both sides.

I would love the 22.4 jobs getting everything set up for our routes. Using them to get air back to the building and shuttling air and all full time employees start times move to 9:45am with nobody out after 8pm.

No more waiting for air. Only when acts of God come into play around Peak.

No full time employee starts after 9:45am and no Full Time employee works more than 47.99 hours a week. Instead of a 9.2 day (worked, not planned)... it's reduced to a 8.6 day as an average. Fair time allowances. No runners that do the route in 7.8 hours. In fact, a new bold UPS that actually frowns on the runners over the bid drivers.

This would create a UPS that would remain strong going into the future.

Mix in some of the old with the new. Shave that costly OT away by a few hours per driver and those that hate that idea could get a job at Shell after they get off work.

No deliveries to customers after 8pm like Nestle Water, USPS, FedEx, Amazon, Schwann's does.

If that takes $10k from you pay a year and $85,000 isn't enough. Chevron baby! Moonlight at Wegman's!

Are you high?

Seriously what the hell is wrong with you?

 

[KoennenTiger]

Definitely a bot

 

[Wally]

I would love for this agreement to be honestly implemented with the utmost respect for both sides.

I would love the 22.4 jobs getting everything set up for our routes. Using them to get air back to the building and shuttling air and all full time employees start times move to 9:45am with nobody out after 8pm.

No more waiting for air. Only when acts of God come into play around Peak.

No full time employee starts after 9:45am and no Full Time employee works more than 47.99 hours a week. Instead of a 9.2 day (worked, not planned)... it's reduced to a 8.6 day as an average. Fair time allowances. No runners that do the route in 7.8 hours. In fact, a new bold UPS that actually frowns on the runners over the bid drivers.

This would create a UPS that would remain strong going into the future.

Mix in some of the old with the new. Shave that costly OT away by a few hours per driver and those that hate that idea could get a job at Shell after they get off work.

No deliveries to customers after 8pm like Nestle Water, USPS, FedEx, Amazon, Schwann's does.

If that takes $10k from you pay a year and $85,000 isn't enough. Chevron baby! Moonlight at Wegman's!