God Bless Donald Trump!!

bbsam

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I can't facepalm this post any harder. The Iranian deal is working as designed despite what right wing media you listen to. Iran shut down their plutonium reactor and have not been enriching weapons grade uranium. They allow inspectors to verify this. It's not appeasement if it's working. The ballistic missile test was not a violation of the new nuclear deal. It violates previous UN sanctions though. Iran did it because they don't respect Trump and are testing what they can get away with. Trump is so bumbling he thinks he can tough talk his way into them backing down. It plays well to his base but isn't effective foreign policy.
It's striking how the right wing spent nearly a decade complaining about Obama and yet now with the presidency and both houses of Congress, they have no substantive policies or proposals ready to roll out.
 

vantexan

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I can't facepalm this post any harder. The Iranian deal is working as designed despite what right wing media you listen to. Iran shut down their plutonium reactor and have not been enriching weapons grade uranium. They allow inspectors to verify this. It's not appeasement if it's working. The ballistic missile test was not a violation of the new nuclear deal. It violates previous UN sanctions though. Iran did it because they don't respect Trump and are testing what they can get away with. Trump is so bumbling he thinks he can tough talk his way into them backing down. It plays well to his base but isn't effective foreign policy.
B.S.
 

vantexan

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It's striking how the right wing spent nearly a decade complaining about Obama and yet now with the presidency and both houses of Congress, they have no substantive policies or proposals ready to roll out.
Seriously? Trump just got in and look how hard he's working compared to the former golfer in chief. The nuclear agreement isn't working as signed to, ballistic missile testing not allowed for 8 years is a part of the agreement, and face palming the Iranians sounds like Madonna was Secretary of State. This silliness is just another reason why Democrats lost big-time not only the Presidency but nationwide all through Obama's presidency. Good luck getting it back, people want results, not Chicken Little b.s..
 

bbsam

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Seriously? Trump just got in and look how hard he's working compared to the former golfer in chief. The nuclear agreement isn't working as signed to, ballistic missile testing not allowed for 8 years is a part of the agreement, and face palming the Iranians sounds like Madonna was Secretary of State. This silliness is just another reason why Democrats lost big-time not only the Presidency but nationwide all through Obama's presidency. Good luck getting it back, people want results, not Chicken Little b.s..
Signing executive orders without consulting with intelligence and taking advice from 35 year old nobodies and tweeting 24/7 is not working hard.
 

vantexan

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Signing executive orders without consulting with intelligence and taking advice from 35 year old nobodies and tweeting 24/7 is not working hard.
How do you know he's not consulting with intelligence? How do you know anything about what goes on behind the scenes? Leaks don't count as there are people working to undermine everything he does. What matters is results. We know what we got the last 8 years, and your party lost the White House because of it. If Trump doesn't produce he'll be a one term president. You need the media and Hollywood fawning over you to get reelected without real results.
 

bbsam

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How do you know he's not consulting with intelligence? How do you know anything about what goes on behind the scenes? Leaks don't count as there are people working to undermine everything he does. What matters is results. We know what we got the last 8 years, and your party lost the White House because of it. If Trump doesn't produce he'll be a one term president. You need the media and Hollywood fawning over you to get reelected without real results.
Undermine him? They're his freakin' people!

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vantexan

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vantexan

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No. It isn't. And you are seeing what happens when a billionaire businessman who is used to getting EVERYTHING his way tries to lead a government.
A businessman who understands efficiency and productivity is exactly what's needed to trim a bloated and wasteful government.
 

bbsam

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Are you under the impression a new administration completely replaces all government employees? Never heard of the Civil Service? There are plenty of career employees in every corner of government that don't share Trump's or Republicans' views.
CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY!

OF ONLY THEY WOULD GIVE THE DONALD EVERYTHING HE ASKED FOR!!

C'mon van. Time to admit the president is in way over his head and has no clue what he's doing.
 

Tired Driver

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I can't facepalm this post any harder. The Iranian deal is working as designed despite what right wing media you listen to. Iran shut down their plutonium reactor and have not been enriching weapons grade uranium. They allow inspectors to verify this. It's not appeasement if it's working. The ballistic missile test was not a violation of the new nuclear deal. It violates previous UN sanctions though. Iran did it because they don't respect Trump and are testing what they can get away with. Trump is so bumbling he thinks he can tough talk his way into them backing down. It plays well to his base but isn't effective foreign policy.

You can't really believe Iran is going to hold to any agreement that they sign.
 

vantexan

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CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY!

OF ONLY THEY WOULD GIVE THE DONALD EVERYTHING HE ASKED FOR!!

C'mon van. Time to admit the president is in way over his head and has no clue what he's doing.
What conspiracy? Leaks are coming out. Who do you think is leaking them? Trump's people? Seriously?
 

It will be fine

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You can't really believe Iran is going to hold to any agreement that they sign.
Of course not. No one trusts Iran. That's what the inspectors are for. It's not perfect, but what's the alternative? War? At least with inspectors having free reign in the country we have some chance of finding centrifuges before they're operational.
 

vantexan

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Why? The government is not a business. It does business, but it isn't a business.
Which explains why it's in terrible financial shape. People need to be held accountable for waste. That's what a very successful businessman brings to the table. The Dems don't like that approach because they're anti big business.
 

vantexan

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Of course not. No one trusts Iran. That's what the inspectors are for. It's not perfect, but what's the alternative? War? At least with inspectors having free reign in the country we have some chance of finding centrifuges before they're operational.
But they don't have free reign. The agreement gives Iran 3 weeks notice before inspections take place. The argument is Iran won't be able to hide that kind of activity. What it doesn't do is insure Iran won't develop secret facilities elsewhere to continue development.
 
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