DriveInDriѵeOut
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You think 4 trillion went to healthcare?
You need to either educate yourself or stop moving the goal posts my good friend.
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You need to either educate yourself or stop moving the goal posts my good friend.
No. You don’t think $4 trillion to prop up a consumer driven economy is socialism?
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
Nope, only if the government takes control of industry. This is a case of absolutely insane, never gonna pay back, welfare statism indebtedness at its finest. I have given up any hope of ever getting the country out of debt. Doing so in a way that would not cause the destitution of millions of dependants would probably take generations. And there's no way we could eliminate deficit spending that long.
I think most fiscal conservatives have given up, so we are going to probably see a national debt in the quadrillions before too long, or, more likely, complete economic collapse.
DriveInDriѵeOut
Inordinately Right
What does that have to do with healthcare? Have you ever been diagnosed with attention deficit disorder?
Old Man Jingles
Rat out of a cage
Hyper-inflation.
So by this definition, Bernie is not a socialist and conservatives have been lying about him.
You don’t think very well.
The fact that he honeymooned in communist Russia might be a tip off. If he's not a socialist what is he? Whatever he is his spending ideas would put us under.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
I don't know Bernie Sanders' platform. Does he want the government to take over industry? I would say that anyone who favors a high degree of regulation is socialistic, since what is regulation aside from government control?
High degrees of spending on welfare programs is a separate issue, and has its own set of problems. Usually the promise of socialism is that everyone gets free stuff, welfare, since the government will, supposedly, profit off of industry. So, someone promising free stuff to gain votes could be a socialist, since that's what socialists do. In fact, Bernie describes himself as a democratic socialist, so is he lying?
Was the 4 trillion used to gain control of the means of production? Government has it's place in emergencies. But do they try to assist us in emergencies or do they seize the opportunity to control everything?
What socialists can't seem to grasp is while you can have social programs to help the needy if you have a strong economy, you can't for long have the social programs be the focus of a large government without a strong economy. Has never worked.
newfie
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Obama used to call it investing to sounds of crickets chirping
newfie
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the hated C word . though the shorter version C word works too.
newfie
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He's making it sound palatable, Is that like voting with a gun to your head? The russians do a lot of that. Putin wins with 98 percent of the vote.
DriveInDriѵeOut
Inordinately Right
I'm sorry you can't follow a simple conversation.
JFK also said cutting taxes actually increases government revenue. A smart man.
In the same vein Republicans defend Social Security here.
baklava
I don’t work at UPS anymore.
Yes, back when the top marginal tax rate was something like 90%
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