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klein
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I just renewed my American healthcare, (any country for that matter), travel insurance for the year, at a cost of $105.00 anually.
I'm greatly covered in the US.
cachsux
Wah
Whatever works for you.
tourists24
Well-Known Member
how do you pay for all these things Klein? travel, coverage, life?
Lue C Fur
Evil member
His mommy gives him an allowence for massaging her feet and the neighbor gives him a bonus for...aw nevermind.
cachsux
Wah
Cliff had a job.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
The bottom line is that, drunk or sober, a person needs to accept the consequences of whatever criminal acts they have committed and been convicted of in a court of law. One of the consequences of committing a felony or inflicting domestic violence is that the guilty person forfiets their right to possess firearms.
I wont minimize or make excuses for my poor choices in the past, but in my case I have no criminal record. I never got a DUII. I have never been arrested, charged with or convicted of any crime. In my entire lifetime I have had a grand total of one speeding ticket...25 years ago when I was 19. So the fact that I am a recovering alcoholic is pretty much irrelevant to the question of whether or not I should be allowed to own guns.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
You really need to get your facts straight. It is easier to legally buy a handgun in Canada than it is in New York City. And it is actually quite easy for an American to bring a hunting rifle into Canada; you pay a $25 fee and get a few papers stamped and its a done deal. I know a guy who went caribou hunting in Alberta last year and he said it was a lot harder for him to get back in to the USA with his rifle than it was for him to go to Canada with it.
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
Sober, what's past is past.
Sober, what's past is past.
If only that were for every recovering alcoholic/drug addict.
klein
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Where did I mention rifles ?
Of course we hunt here, but all handguns in Canada are either prohibited or restricted
And, like I wrote earlier, fully automatic guns are illegal.
Magazines for restricted handguns can only have a 10 round capacity max, for long guns 5 rounds max.
Anyways, it's a little complicated here to even own or purchase a gun.
We need to do a Canadian Safety and Firearms course first, then require a possesion and aquisition licence (that also expires like a Driver's License, every 5 years).
Even buying Ammu here, requires a firearms licence.
All in all, too much of a hassle to own a gun here, unless someone is really into the sport or hunting.
But, just to have it sit at home for illegal self defense usage, it's not worth it.
Any use of a firearm against a human, even in self-defense, is likely to be prosecuted as a crime in Canada. For that matter, use of any weapon against a human is likely to be a crime, pepperspray included.
Canadian hunting regulations are outside the scope of this document; however note that it is definitely forbidden to hunt with a handgun or otherwise use a handgun against wildlife.
In general, the only legal uses for restricted or prohibited firearms (including all handguns) are for collection purposes and recreational/competition target shooting.
The above should pretty much sum it up, why most of us don't own handguns.
Now that we've established the specific, let's go to the general. I would be willing to bet that within recovery rooms your story, while like many in terms of emotional and mental state is somewhat different in legal repercussions. Please do not take offense, but I have sat across the table and had coffee with what could easily be defined as the criminally insane. That they had not yet been caught meant little. We have a mental health unit around here that will diagnose patients as "bi-polar" without regard to drug and alcohol abuse. And as so often the case, we see people all the time who walk around with the past not being the past. Some call it a "dry drunk". Again, I'm not trying to find new laws. I'm trying to see how the laws we have protect us from these individuals, some without a violent past but severely disturbed none the less. Maybe there is no answer and we are at the mercy of the jackal because that's the natural order of things.
klein
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I would be more concerned about what sets "law-abiding" citizens off !
The loss of a job (hence the amount of job sites shootings on the rise).
Nasty divorces (spouse, and maybe children get shot).
Gambling or drug addictions, that are very costly, and lands the person into a financial disaster.
Or even maybe losing their home to foreclosure.
Yes, under the influence of Alcohol or drugs play a role, too. Bar shootings/stabbings are also common these days.
That is why, I don't agree with many here, that law-abiding citizens are not to be worried about.
Nobody knows when a law-abiding citizen, goes bizzare, nuts and does the unthinkable.
The John Lennon shooter, was law-abiding up until that point, so was the Tuscon shooter.
So, are many spouse killers (that were happily married, lived a normal life for many years).
A very high percentage of deadly shootings are done by first time offenders.
The loss of a job (hence the amount of job sites shootings on the rise).
Nasty divorces (spouse, and maybe children get shot).
Gambling or drug addictions, that are very costly, and lands the person into a financial disaster.
Or even maybe losing their home to foreclosure.
Yes, under the influence of Alcohol or drugs play a role, too. Bar shootings/stabbings are also common these days.
That is why, I don't agree with many here, that law-abiding citizens are not to be worried about.
Nobody knows when a law-abiding citizen, goes bizzare, nuts and does the unthinkable.
The John Lennon shooter, was law-abiding up until that point, so was the Tuscon shooter.
So, are many spouse killers (that were happily married, lived a normal life for many years).
A very high percentage of deadly shootings are done by first time offenders.
klein
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Ever heard of the City of Windsor ?
You can see it from Detroit.
The famous International Ambassador Bridge that crosses the Detriot river.
More goods are exported/imported in 1 single day , crossing that bridge then the whole US trade with Japan in an entire year !
What makes that bridge also unique, is in Windsor the strict gun rules suddenly apply.
Windsor has a population of over 300.000 (small city). But zero (as in none) homicides (murders) in 2010 ! How does Detroit compare with that, eh ?
The huge Casino in Windsor is the main attraction for citizens of Detroit and it's surroundings and has a very high percentage of American visitors therfor.
Ofcourse for 18-20 year olds from the US, just to legally gamble and drink, too.
I wonder if you can name any given US city with a population above 200.000 - 300.000 , that had not had a murder/homicide in any given year recently ?
Skyline of Windsor viewed from Detroit.
PS: DS lives actually pretty close nearby in southern Ontario.
You can see it from Detroit.
The famous International Ambassador Bridge that crosses the Detriot river.
More goods are exported/imported in 1 single day , crossing that bridge then the whole US trade with Japan in an entire year !
What makes that bridge also unique, is in Windsor the strict gun rules suddenly apply.
Windsor has a population of over 300.000 (small city). But zero (as in none) homicides (murders) in 2010 ! How does Detroit compare with that, eh ?
The huge Casino in Windsor is the main attraction for citizens of Detroit and it's surroundings and has a very high percentage of American visitors therfor.
Ofcourse for 18-20 year olds from the US, just to legally gamble and drink, too.
I wonder if you can name any given US city with a population above 200.000 - 300.000 , that had not had a murder/homicide in any given year recently ?
Skyline of Windsor viewed from Detroit.
PS: DS lives actually pretty close nearby in southern Ontario.
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Boy, that line caught my attention! It only has to be "worth it" one dark night. How much is your life worth?
Thank goodness I'm a citizen, and not a subject!
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
The laws that we have will not prevent a person from getting a gun if they are bound and determined to do so.
We currently have laws against murder and robbery and rape and drug possession; those laws are routinely broken by people who are bound and determined to do so. Obtaining an illegal firearm is no different. If a criminal or a psycho wants a gun bad enough he will get one, plain and simple. As Bill W. might have said---that is a fact the we must learn to accept because we cannot change it.
We are certainly going to be at the mercy of the jackals if we have to obey laws that prohibit us from being armed while the jackals choose to break them. So the best way, in my opinion, to protect ourselves from the jackals of the world is to level the playing field and allow the good people of the world to arm themselves.
A citizen and not a subject? Wk might take issue with your assessment.
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