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Most suicides, regardless of the method employed, are directly or indirectly related to alcohol or substance abuse.

Alcohol is directly related to far more deaths each year than guns, yet I dont hear the Kliens or the TOS's advocating for stricter controls on alcohol.

How about it? Lets employ the same logic to alcohol that we do to guns. Lets require background checks for every alcohol purchase. Lets require registration of each and every bottle of alcohol, along with requiring child-proof cap locks. Lets prohibit "high capacity" 40-ounce beer bottles that serve no "social drinking purpose". Lets limit sales of alcohol to one bottle per month, with a 3 day waiting period, and require fingerprinting of all alcohol purchasers. Lets require than all bottles of alcohol be locked in a case in the trunk of the car to prevent drinking and driving. All we need are a few "common sense" alcohol laws to protect us from this evil substance. Hey, if it will save one child........
Very good post, but you left out: Have every vehicle incorporate a breathalyzer with the electrical system, clean breath required to start and maintain the running of the engine every 10 minutes of operation. Any amount of alcohol tested puts the car immobile.
 
Somewhat, I doubt that. It's a close call though.
I say most suicides are caused by financial stress and relationship problems.

A drunk or druggie would have a very hard time trying to hang up a rope to kill him/herself, or to drive/walk to a bridge (unless ofcourse they had a gun).
So you think the suicide rate would decrease significantly if there were NO guns? Keep dreaming pal. People do not kill themselfs because they have a gun handy.
 
Suicide methods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Take a moment and read the first paragraph under "Firearms".
Already knew the % of suicides by gun. Did you read further down? From the same link:

Research published in the New England Journal of Medicine and the National Academy of Science found an association between household firearm ownership and gun suicide rates,[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods#cite_note-NAS-exec-10[/SUP][SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods#cite_note-11[/SUP] though a study by one researcher did not find a statistically significant association between household firearms and gun suicide rates,[SUP] [/SUP]except in the suicides of children aged 5–14.[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods#cite_note-Miller_Hemenway-12[/SUP]During the 1980s and early 1990s, there was a strong upward trend in adolescent suicides with a gun,[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods#cite_note-cook2000-ch2-13[/SUP]as well as a sharp overall increase in suicides among those age 75 and over.[SUP]

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What I got out of this is that, of course, there is a connection of suicide deaths by firearms and home with firearms. People living without guns in the house are not as likely to use one to kill themselves because the don't have one.( I would call that a DUH) If someone is intent on suicide they will find a way.
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[/SUP]Two separate studies, in Canada and Australia, conducted in conjunction with more restrictive firearms legislation, demonstrated that while said legislation showed a decrease in firearms suicide, other methods such as hanging increased. In Australia, the overall rate of suicide continued along an increasing trend, not decreasing until measures specifically aimed to provide support for those intent on suicide were implemented.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods#cite_note-15

IMO, the above two sentences illustrate it matter well. Taking guns out of the equation doesn't significantly change the final outcome.

 

over9five

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Another interesting statistic from the Federal Railroad Admin. 300 - 500 suicides occur every year by throwing oneself in front of a moving train. Maybe we should ban railroads and their trains. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Railroad_Administration
One of the saddest things I saw as an EMT was a suicide "by garage". The man simply ran his car in the closed garage. The sad part was where we found him..... On the floor in front of the window. He just spent his last minutes watching the cruel world go by.

Let's ban those garages.
 

moreluck

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Another interesting statistic from the Federal Railroad Admin. 300 - 500 suicides occur every year by throwing oneself in front of a moving train. Maybe we should ban railroads and their trains. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Railroad_Administration
Living near some stations for Metrolink & Amtrak, I think train suicides are the most selfish kind. Lots of people on trains are going to work, have appointments or just doing vacationing. A death on the trax from train......all forward progress stops. Investigations take hours. Even on the road in traffic and there's an accident, you hope nobody dies....not because you're a good person, but because they'll close the damn road down and you are going nowhere 'til they're done.. .
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

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The high suicide rate in Japan, which is 2nd only to Russia, can be attributed in part to the socio-cultural acceptance of suicide as a way to avoid bringing dishonor upon the family.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Hari Kari....
one would take a wakizashi (short sword) and dissembowel oneself. The less noise you made while doing this, the braver you were and therefore the more honorable, however this did not last long as not long after you had begun, a close friend, comrade, or enemy would put you out of your misery by cleaving your head from your shoulders in one swift blow of the katana (another Japanese sword).

Read more: What is hari kari
 
Suicide, like murder, is going to be committed by those in the frame of mind to do it no matter what. If not by gun then by whatever means at hand. If a guns in the house they might use that. Lots of pills, that. Train station nearby,that. Razor blade, that.

Short of having us all live in a padded cell, which the pussification of America is leading us to, there is always something around to kill yourself or others with. It`s not the question of what you`ll do it with but rather will you do it.
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
The high suicide rate in Japan, which is 2nd only to Russia, can be attributed in part to the socio-cultural acceptance of suicide as a way to avoid bringing dishonor upon the family.

It also negates the argument that gun ownership causes suicides. If someone has made the unfortunate decision to end their own life, they are going to do it whether a gun is available or not.
 
Some years back the wife of a local farmer fired up a power auger and chucked herself into it. They thought it was an accident until the note was found.

A violent person is just that. A peaceful person so. People are what they are and what actions they take and the tools they do it with are just details.
 

Lue C Fur

Evil member
Japan has far stricter gun control laws than the United States. Private ownership of firearms is virtually prohibited, yet Japan has a higher overall suicide rate.

The high suicide rate in Japan, which is 2nd only to Russia, can be attributed in part to the socio-cultural acceptance of suicide as a way to avoid bringing dishonor upon the family.

Many suicides in Japan are by jumping in front of trains and many are young teens. The main reason is the dishonor part which is from all the stress that is brought on by striving to do the best and failing. Also the teen suicides are high because of the same reasons and also the bullying...just like the bullying here in America.

Hari Kari....
one would take a wakizashi (short sword) and dissembowel oneself. The less noise you made while doing this, the braver you were and therefore the more honorable, however this did not last long as not long after you had begun, a close friend, comrade, or enemy would put you out of your misery by cleaving your head from your shoulders in one swift blow of the katana (another Japanese sword).

Read more: What is hari kari

Give Seppuku a try...its similar:

Seppuku - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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pickup

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Yeah, I suppose you are right, and the suicide rate would remain the same, if they didn't own a gun.
But, I highly doubt it.

The following was from this link : Suicides . I think the document was made in 2007. So the info just shoots a big hole in your statement.
[h=2]Has Canada’s suicide rate improved?[/h]
Canada’s suicide rate increased in the 1960s and 1970s, peaked in 1978 at 14.8 suicides per 100,000 population, and then fell thereafter. The current suicide rate is 10.2 per 100,000. The suicide rates of most peer countries followed a similar pattern, with the notable exception of Ireland and Japan.

Ireland’s suicide rate increased steadily throughout the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and most of the 1990s. It peaked in 1998 before tapering off. Ireland’s suicide rate of 10 suicides per 100,000 population in 2007 is much higher than the 1960 rate of 3 per 100,000.

While Japan’s current rate of 19.4 suicides per 100,000 population is lower than in 1960, it increased sharply in the late 1990s—peaking at 20.4 in 1998. An article in Time Online called suicide in Japan an “epidemic” and noted new and troubling trends: “People in their thirties are the most likely to kill themselves, and work-related depression is emerging as a prime motive.”[SUP]4[/SUP]

Denmark has made the most progress in reducing deaths due to suicide, from 29 deaths per 100,000 population in 1980 to 9.9 in 2006.
Perhaps surprisingly, Canada’s suicide rate has been higher than that of the U.S. since the 1970s, although the gap has narrowed at times. The current suicide rate for the U.S. is 10.1 per 100,000.






 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
On Black Friday alone Gun dealers flooded the FBI with background check requests for prospective hand gun and long gun buyers, smashing the previous record by more than 30%. Deputy Assistant FBI Director Jerry Pender said the checks, required by federal law, surged to nearly 130,000 during the day, far surpassing the previous high of 97,848 on Black Friday of 2008.
Gun buyers are more diverse than ever. This however is not the kind of diversity the anti-gun left is happy about. Young professionals, people starting families and women, in greater numbers than ever, are purchasing guns.
As the ‘12 Presidential Campaign looms, President Obama himself has been remarkedly silent on the issue of gun rights. He must know that waging an open war against the NRA and America’s 80,000,000 gun owners during this campaign season will only hurt his prospects for re-election. He’s also well aware of the two recent Supreme Court decisions District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago, decisions that make it clear that the right to bear arms is a constitutional right.
The 130,000 Americans who sought to buy handguns on Black Friday aren’t naive. Anecdotal evidence points directly to the Obama administration as a primary motivating factor in the skyrocketing numbers of gun sales.
 
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