Hope everyone gets it now

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by UPSTeamster Pragmatist, Oct 7, 2018.

  1. Requiring 2/3rd no vote under 50% participation when two thirds of the voters are non-voting part-timers should make everyone realize our situation. Why didn't either side advertise this, they just forgot about that little detail? Why do you think it was put in the constitution in the first place (decades ago). The writing is on the wall.
     
  2. MyTripisCut

    MyTripisCut Wake Up!

    We get it
     
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  3. I don't explain it to me, I'm kinda stupid
     
  4. Benben

    Benben Working on a new degree, Masters in BS Detecting!

    Art XII sec. 2) If less than half of the eligible members cast valid ballots, then a two-thirds (2/3) vote of those voting shall be required to reject such final offer and to authorize a strike. The failure of such membership to reject the final offer and to authorize a strike as herein provided shall require the negotiating committee to accept such final offer or such additional provisions as can be negotiated by it. Once a strike is called, a contract thereafter may be accepted by a majority vote.

    They are trying to use this article to :censored2: us with a bad contract so they don't have to go back and actually do work on our behalf! If they had done their job correctly the first time (negotiate with our best interests in mind) this would have all been moot.

    Instead Hoffa Jr. said screw the UPS members! Just like he did in 2013 to some supplements!
     
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  5. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    Read the writing on the wall. It will tell you.
     
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  6. mikejonesjr

    mikejonesjr Active Member

    25 years ago part timers made an actual wage, likely $20 an hour in today's market. They had a reason to vote. That rule needs to be out of here.
     
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  7. Benben

    Benben Working on a new degree, Masters in BS Detecting!

    How many full time employees voted?

    How many voted for a strike authorization?
     
  8. Dulce Bombón

    Dulce Bombón I'm Legal Gringo! UPS Latina Heat! Haters ❤ me!

    Well, some of the Members are saying now, that it was our responsability to find out before voting. What do you think?
     
  9. Benben

    Benben Working on a new degree, Masters in BS Detecting!

    It was not a final offer, it was not relevant!

    Were you ever told it was the final offer?
     
  10. Superteeth2478

    Superteeth2478 Active Member

    I get your anger on this, I'm angry about it as well. But I'm also all about following the literal language in a contract, and can see why this happened. I can also see how they can logically call the offer presented to the membership to vote on the final offer. Think about it. They go back and forth at the negotiating table. When both sides decide they aren't going to give or take any more (for the time being), they deem it to be the final offer. Granted, the membership will see it as the first offer, as it's the first offer presented to them to vote on. This huge disconnect between the membership's understanding of a final offer and the negotiating committees' and UPS's understanding of a final offer is what is causing this confusion. It's also intentional.
     
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  11. Kinda hard to answer that
     
  12. Benben

    Benben Working on a new degree, Masters in BS Detecting!

    Then what is the precedence? What was done before. the '97 strike. How many offers? Has a contract offer ever been voted down and another was offered up? That is the key, imo.
     
  13. Superteeth2478

    Superteeth2478 Active Member

    That was a leg I was standing on myself. I researched the '97 strike in-depth, hoping that there was a precedent set then that contradicted what happened this time around and contradicted the constitution in general. It didn't happen. Nothing was ever put to the vote in '97. UPS made a "last, best, and final" offer to the negotiating committee because they weren't making any headway on something that the negotiating committee would be willing to put to the vote, and Carey didn't want to put that offer to the vote, either. They just went on strike very suddenly on August 4th, 3 days after the contract expired (the strike didn't happen on August 1st at midnight because they agreed on an extension). So that leg was taken out from under me.

    See, what's funny is that some high veteran employees at the hub I work at even mis-remember there being other offers being put to the vote and being rejected, and that there was a first, second, and then a third and final offer. Perhaps it's really just mis-remembering. Perhaps it's the Mandela Effect in action. Who knows.
     
  14. Chukie804

    Chukie804 Management told me I'd never be a driver

    Later in the same article unfortunately it says any kind of contract dealing with a company wide contract such as ours that is presented to vote on by the membership is effectively a final offer. We didn't realize and our leadership didnt feel the need to educate us
     
  15. just chillin'

    just chillin' Active Member

    Any offer that’s put to vote by the membership is officially the final offer. It doesn’t have to be advertised as such. Any previous offers just go as far as the negotiation committee and they rejected and renegotiated. We weren’t privy to the closed door negotiations and don’t know how many offers went back and forth but once an offer is accepted in the handshake and passes the 2man vote and is put out to the members. Final offer. Ron Carey never accepted or handshook there offers and ups wasn’t budging so it was considered a final offer and Ron called a strike rather than a vote.
     
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  16. Kanovic

    Kanovic My job is fun

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    No you don’t! We need 50 more thread about the same subject!
     
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  17. Benben

    Benben Working on a new degree, Masters in BS Detecting!

    So you are saying all the supplements passed the 2 man vote?
     
  18. upsbeernut

    upsbeernut Sometimes I feel like a nut, sometimes i dont.

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  19. silverbullet2893

    silverbullet2893 Great job!


    All I see is “Bullet has a small dick and he is gay”
     
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  20. upsbeernut

    upsbeernut Sometimes I feel like a nut, sometimes i dont.

    We need 100