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Can anyone weigh in on how many hours they or their on-roads are working? I average 60-65 a week and was told I would be working 50 when hired. Just want to know if this is wide spread or just in the north west?
Can anyone weigh in on how many hours they or their on-roads are working? I average 60-65 a week and was told I would be working 50 when hired. Just want to know if this is wide spread or just in the north west?
Are there any other On-Road sups that are as fed up as the drivers working over 9.5. I know I know the union guys say I signed up for it, but 65-70 hours a week for years on end is crap. Show up at 630 AM, ride all day, get off car at 630 PM and do paper work to 8-10 PM. That is if nothing goes wrong during the day. Need to hear from some sups around the country on this....I want to see if I am crazy or not. And yes I know I signed up for it. But abuse is abuse, union or non-union.
You drivers are cold hearted. he made a decision, for whatever reason, to try something. It looks real good on paper, when you accept the position. As like any job it has its unknowns. You never think you are going to be sleeping with an enemy. Give him a break, he made a decision on a career, that doesnt suit him, and the only way out is to quit. Its not that easy to walk away. Teamster, or management.
Red, so glad you posted that....we have to realize that many sups are not any happier with the direction UPS is going as the hourly people are. The kicker is, they can't do anything to fix it either. Supervisors have a job to do, just like the rest of us....it's just a different job. The "bad" sups enjoy making us miserable, the good ones don't enjoy it.
I think Trplnkl hit the nail on the head here. You can whine, piss and moan to your sup all you want. My guess is that he would agree with most things you say. The problem is, he(or she) is powerless to do anything. They are right next to us or maybe even below us on the crap flowing down hill analogy. I might even venture that the division manger has no authority to change anything of significance.
And if the center does not co-operate to cut hours, just who is this responsibility on? And sorry someone will gig you for spelling. Is this a weed out criteria?Being an On Road Sup in an entry level position in full time management. There is an expected and nessacary culling process in the junior management ranks to weed out those that do not have the apptitude for further positions of responsibility. We have all done our "time in the trenches", do yours...or do not.
If you are working 70 hrs a week outside of peak season, then maybe you and or your center are a MHN enity and have not invested the effort at the appropriate time to avoid excessive hours later on.
I realize that time moves on and that many things change - but -history just seems to have a way of always repeating itself.
Scenario one: On car supervisor cries and complains that he is forced to wait for the last driver --has no power to change anything !!! Waits for last driver every night --driver works sixty hours --supervisor works over seventy hours --cries and cries !!!
Scenario two: On car supervisor waits for last driver who comes off the road at nine o'clock at night and is three hours + overallowed. Supervisor does not run out the door but takes a few minutes to find out what is the drivers problem --over dispatch, poor metods, attitude etc .
The next morning the on car supervisor is in "browns" TELLS the manager he is going with this driver.
To spare the controversy ( I can truly tell you that a poor split -pissed off an average driver so much --he turned into a poor performer----as an on car supervisor I adjusted the split --not the dispatch ---the driver's attitude changed drastically --supe and driver communicate ---problem solved with the power of a effective on car supervisor--that worked hard --made changes and progressed in the company.
Main point: Bottom line ------When their is a problem you recognize --you YOU have a big decision to make ---YOU are either part of the problem or YOU are part of the solution.
I know their will be a few who think this is "unrealistic" ----but your "fantasy" was MY "reality"
It is just a concept. 3 sups, one runs local sort, one does Saturday and one has to travle to an extended center. These and many other responsibilities cause lots of excess hours. Plus when we do the early late schedule when something bad happens it gets blown out of the water and we all work.
I think that many think this is unfair. I feel sorry for the drivers....any sup that can find another job is going to and for the rest that stay...well you know who they are...and they are the worst of the bunch that hang on just long enough to become a tyrant as a center manager. Making everyones life hell sup and union alike. I guess it is the way the company is....just trying to figure when is the best time to punch out.
By the way I was a driver and a shop steward for 4 years. I thought if I were on the inside I coould change it....guess that I was wrong!!!!
The best time to "punch out" is now - seriously, call your manager and punch out..TODAY!!!. Don't flatter yourself, the remaining 2 supervisors will be able to make do just fine - your driver group will continue doing just as good or bad as we are doing now. I don't mean this to be negative. But in all honesty- hypothetically speaking if you were to leave would the place fall apart in 3 months???? NO!!! You have already made the decision to punch out and have called out those who continue to do the job as "the worst of the bunch" - I simply don't understand why you would hang around after making the decision to go ...PUNCH OUT AND MOVE ON...You will thank me for this advice in time. The job is simply not a good fit for you. It happens. Before I was a driver I had a similar situation and moved on...Good luck in your new future of honest hard work outside of UPS. I sincerely mean that...
I realize that time moves on and that many things change - but -history just seems to have a way of always repeating itself.
Scenario one: On car supervisor cries and complains that he is forced to wait for the last driver --has no power to change anything !!! Waits for last driver every night --driver works sixty hours --supervisor works over seventy hours --cries and cries !!!
Scenario two: On car supervisor waits for last driver who comes off the road at nine o'clock at night and is three hours + overallowed. Supervisor does not run out the door but takes a few minutes to find out what is the drivers problem --over dispatch, poor metods, attitude etc .
The next morning the on car supervisor is in "browns" TELLS the manager he is going with this driver.
To spare the controversy ( I can truly tell you that a poor split -pissed off an average driver so much --he turned into a poor performer----as an on car supervisor I adjusted the split --not the dispatch ---the driver's attitude changed drastically --supe and driver communicate ---problem solved with the power of a effective on car supervisor--that worked hard --made changes and progressed in the company.
Main point: Bottom line ------When their is a problem you recognize --you YOU have a big decision to make ---YOU are either part of the problem or YOU are part of the solution.
I know their will be a few who think this is "unrealistic" ----but your "fantasy" was MY "reality"
Hip Hip Hoooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Cheers excellent post.
We seem to be living in the twilight zone in my center. I as an "outsider" can recognize where things could be done that would almost totally fix things. But everyone just stands around wringing their hands.
I once had a center manager ride with me and said I did a good job, but sometimes the splits were, and I dont know why wrong I guess, and then I would be an hour late. Before we could fix it he was gone.
Since then no one cares to fix things, just tell us we have to do better, but cant tell us what we do wrong. And nothing gets fixed, and if it was just me, I would say Ok, Im older, I guess Im slower, if you say so, so how come Im not the only one? Some of these guys are runners, and an hour late.
A time study 20 yrs old does not help. Im out of ideas.
The center managers and on-roads in our bldg. are ghosts (excluding the late night guy) when we get back at night. The office staff are quite willing to let us know who is where and when they left. I would be surprised if any of them hit 50 hours a week...
The original poster is a management person who is complaining about being given an excessive workload.
The solution to his problem is simple. He should follow the same advice that he would give to one of his drivers who was consistently overallowed and filing 9.5 grievances.
There is no valid reason for a sup to have to work 70 hrs a week. He is paid for 45 hrs. Every aspect of his duties has been carefully studied and measured. All elements of his job have been scientifically built in to the allowed amount of time. These measurements are 95% accurate 95% of the time. They measure the job, not the person doing it.
Follow the methods. Work harder not smarter.
Isnt irony a bitch?
Irony ?? I friend you choose. More like lazy and incompetant.
"Determined people make their conditions ---they don't become victoms of them. " Jim Casey truly had an iinsight to the human condition !!!