Is it possible to go back to part time?

What'dyabringmetoday???

Well-Known Member
I wouldn’t leave at that point. Communists would be controlling the government and the economy would be on the brink of collapse.

even if we get reimbursed with higher wages around the same rate as our health insurance, the tax hikes would eat that away. We’d still lose with nationalized health insurance.
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They would negotiate something beneficial for UPS.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
It's literally better in every way. The only reason for the sticker shock is because nobody wanted to (even today) deal with the backlog of undiagnosed conditions in our younger population, in addition to Obama's plan being weak as hell and paid out way too much back towards wall street.

Our demands should stick towards working conditions and time off, the nation should collectively deal with wages/healthcare in time.
Yes, I would go from premium top of the heap insurance to government gibs. Then I’d get a nice tax hike because I work for a living. Then I’d be lucky if they don’t start coming after the money I’m stealing from America by investing into my own 401k once their budget goes to :censored2:.

wonderful in every way is a strange way to describe it.
 

sandwich

The resident gearhead
@sandwich

I read your thread yesterday and was going to comment. But, wanted to see where it went.





That's a fair and respectful statement. (and you put the Teamsters first :biggrin:)

Only you can determine your destiny. If UPS isn't cutting it.... hey, life is too short.

Just be smart about it.
As much as I would love to walk in and give my center manager the finger and hold it there for awhile, while at the same time laughing in his face

I can’t do that just yet.
 

sandwich

The resident gearhead
That's awesome. With trying to balance this job with a personal life, it can be nearly impossible to start a business. Takes dedication and a supportive family. Very admirable.
It has been a lot of work. Like working every hour of everyday. My wife really wants me to quit ups and shift my focus 100% to my company. She has been very cool.

Its either admirable or stupid.

only time will tell.

Appreciate the kind words.
 

sandwich

The resident gearhead
Sounds like it has become much more then a weekend job. You are at the perfect age to start your own business. Old enough to be responsible and young enough to handle the physical and mental labor.
Yes it has. I run a crew during the week while I’m at ups. But with my new equipment, I have been doing those jobs on the weekends. The jobs I keep getting are bigger and bigger and can no longer be done in a weekend. I have larger contractors throwing large jobs my way (for unreal money) and I’m getting to the point where I need to make a real tough decision.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
Yes it has been a lot of work. Like working every hour of everyday. My wife really wants me to quit ups and shift my focus 100% to my company. She has been very cool.

Its either admirable or stupid.

only time will tell.

Appreciate the kind words.

Even if you fail, it's still admirable. I guess the worst case scenario, you can come back as an off the street hire, the way things are going.

What about applying for a leave of absence? I doubt the company would be willing to accommodate that right now, but it's worth a shot, and could give you some time to see how things could go.
 

rustys954rr

Well-Known Member
Yes, I would go from premium top of the heap insurance to government gibs. Then I’d get a nice tax hike because I work for a living. Then I’d be lucky if they don’t start coming after the money I’m stealing from America by investing into my own 401k once their budget goes to :censored2:.

wonderful in every way is a strange way to describe it.
Shouldn't you be working a non-union job, Comrade?
 

sandwich

The resident gearhead
Even if you fail, it's still admirable. I guess the worst case scenario, you can come back as an off the street hire, the way things are going.

What about applying for a leave of absence? I doubt the company would be willing to accommodate that right now, but it's worth a shot, and could give you some time to see how things could go.
I would be willing to try that. I just don’t want to go without health benefits if I don’t have to. The wife has already committed to getting her job back at the school district as soon as she can so I can go full time with my company. If I didn’t have kids I would already be gone, benefits be damned.

one thing I’m going to do is get my CDL. There are a lot of excavation and dump truck companies all within a few minute drive from my house.

if my contracting company folds. I will have my CDL. I’ll be able to operate heavy equipment and drive a dump truck for a local construction company.
 

toonertoo

Most Awesome Dog
Staff member
I realize what I’m leaving. But, I became a licensed state contractor and started a construction company over a year ago. Invested in some construction equipment, and more equipment on the way. Taught myself how to operate said equipment. My company has grown exponentially in the last few months. I am making dramatically more money with my grading company.

im 36. I’m in my last couple years to start a new career. I appreciate what the teamsters and ups have done for me. But it’s time to move on.

just need the benefits for my kids. Although if my company keeps moving in the same direction it is now. I will purchase my own plan.
I commend you.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
You can't take a leave of absence to work another job.


Article 16 Section 2

"During the period of absence, the employee shall not engage in gainful employment...."



I did fail to reread the language before bringing it up. If he failed to turn a profit, however, it wouldn't be gainful, and employment generally means working for someone else in an employer-employee relationship. The idea being that if he were successful in his endeavor he wouldn't be coming back anyway, as stated in the next paragraph:

"Failure to comply with this provision shall result in the complete loss of seniority rights for the employees involved. Inability to work because of proven sickness or injury shall not result in the loss of seniority rights. The employee may make suitable arrange- ments for the continuation of health and welfare and pension pay- ments before the leave may be approved by either the Local Union or the Employer."

If he laid out his plan with UPS and the Union, got approval with the understanding that if his business was successful he'd not be returning, made arrangements for health and welfare and pension payments, the terms of the contract would be satisfied. The health and welfare and pension payment thing might make it unfeasible for him, and it may be unlikely that the company or union would approve the request, but it can't hurt to ask.
 

BigUnionGuy

Got the T-Shirt
I did fail to reread the language before bringing it up. If he failed to turn a profit, however, it wouldn't be gainful, and employment generally means working for someone else in an employer-employee relationship. The idea being that if he were successful in his endeavor he wouldn't be coming back anyway, as stated in the next paragraph:

"Failure to comply with this provision shall result in the complete loss of seniority rights for the employees involved. Inability to work because of proven sickness or injury shall not result in the loss of seniority rights. The employee may make suitable arrange- ments for the continuation of health and welfare and pension pay- ments before the leave may be approved by either the Local Union or the Employer."

If he laid out his plan with UPS and the Union, got approval with the understanding that if his business was successful he'd not be returning, made arrangements for health and welfare and pension payments, the terms of the contract would be satisfied. The health and welfare and pension payment thing might make it unfeasible for him, and it may be unlikely that the company or union would approve the request, but it can't hurt to ask.


I always read your posts, because they seem logical and reasonable.

But, in this case.... the company would never agree to something like that. (unfortunately)

If they would do it for him, they would have to do it for everybody.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
I always read your posts, because they seem logical and reasonable.

But, in this case.... the company would never agree to something like that. (unfortunately)

If they would do it for him, they would have to do it for everybody.

That's the worst they could do, say no. That's why it doesn't hurt to ask. Do we even have precedent for circumstances for which the company would agree to a leave of absence? Could you just ask for one because it's been a life long dream to spend three months fishing in Alaska?

From what I can tell, there is no reason why the company would ever agree to any leave of absence that's not medical related. So what's the point of having the language if you can't even try to use it?
 
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