Is this allowed...???

[What The Hawk?]

UPS allows it, the union allows it and the law allows it.

You just posted your opinion, which I don't have a problem with you expressing your opinion.

The problem is that you have been posting your opinion as fact, until you finally realized that this practice is allowed.

Provide proof then. If it were allowed, they would be doing it more. Cut the bull.

 

[What The Hawk?]

All hourly wages for employees covered under Article 40 will be determined in accordance with this Section, Article 22 and Article 41 where specified.
a. Part-time air drivers including exception air drivers will be paid as follows:
Start $12.50
Seniority $13.50
Seniority Date plus 12 months $14.00
Seniority Date plus 18 months $14.50
Seniority Date plus 24 months Top Rate

I bet this preloader isn't getting that pay, he's getting preloader pay. Just my opinion though I don't have proof he is or isn't.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

I bet this preloader isn't getting that pay, he's getting preloader pay. Just my opinion though I don't have proof he is or isn't.

Wouldn't be surprised.
Needs to file for it if that's the case.

 

[ThatOnePreloader]

All hourly wages for employees covered under Article 40 will be determined in accordance with this Section, Article 22 and Article 41 where specified.
a. Part-time air drivers including exception air drivers will be paid as follows:
Start $12.50
Seniority $13.50
Seniority Date plus 12 months $14.00
Seniority Date plus 18 months $14.50
Seniority Date plus 24 months Top Rate

So if I wanted to be a PT air driver I should have started progression on day one? Because that's what I heard from some drivers in my center too.

 

[ThatOnePreloader]

Wouldn't be surprised.
Needs to file for it if that's the case.

I was being paid as preload lol go figure

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

I was being paid as preload lol go figure

you need to talk to stuart about it

 

[What The Hawk?]

Everyone I've seen who has shuttled, was wearing browns and getting paid more than what the preloader is. Sometimes in their own car, sometimes in a UPS truck. At my center, they never ask preloaders to shuttle. Never.

 

[Mugarolla]

All hourly wages for employees covered under Article 40 will be determined in accordance with this Section, Article 22 and Article 41 where specified.
a. Part-time air drivers including exception air drivers will be paid as follows:
Start $12.50
Seniority $13.50
Seniority Date plus 12 months $14.00
Seniority Date plus 18 months $14.50
Seniority Date plus 24 months Top Rate

Good try.

He is not delivering and is not certified, he is shuttling.

It is just agreed that he will be paid the same as an air exception driver, if he is paid lower, not that he is one, because he is not.

Article 40 Section 1

(h) Exception Air Drivers

(1) The Employer and the Union recognize that there may be air
packages that cannot be delivered by the regular full-time package
car driver or the scheduled air drivers listed in this Section.
Therefore, the parties agree to continue the practice of allowing the
use of part-time employees who have signed the exception qualified
list or who have expressed in writing their desire to be on the list
and who have been certified to deliver these exception air packages.

 

[Mugarolla]

Everyone I've seen who has shuttled, was wearing browns and getting paid more than what the preloader is.

I have said that I do not want to see UPS using pre-loaders to shuttle packages. I want every center properly staffed.

Yes I would rather them use a pre-loader as opposed to management shuttling packages if no one is available.

Do you realize that this pre-loader was being paid more than an air exception driver?

At my center, they never ask preloaders to shuttle. Never.

Obviously your center is properly staffed.

This is the ultimate goal.

 

[Mugarolla]

you need to talk to stuart about it

He was paid more than an air exception driver.

 

[What The Hawk?]

I have said that I do not want to see UPS using pre-loaders to shuttle packages. I want every center properly staffed.

Yes I would rather them use a pre-loader as opposed to management shuttling packages if no one is available.

Do you realize that this pre-loader was being paid more than an air exception driver?




Obviously your center is properly staffed.

This is the ultimate goal.

No..no we're not properly staffed. And if you scroll up just a little bit the OP said, he did not get proper compensation.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

Good try.

He is not delivering and is not certified, he is shuttling.

It is just agreed that he will be paid the same as an air exception driver, if he is paid lower, not that he is one, because he is not.

Ok, but article 40 also says:
(i) Personal Vehicles
Air Exception drivers will use the Employer’s vehicles whenever possible. Air Exception drivers who would happen to use their personal automobiles shall be reimbursed at the IRS limit applicable per mile for all miles driven to perform the air driving work in addition to their air driver wages. When an employee uses his/her own vehicle in the service of the Employer and is involved in an accident, the Employer shall be responsible for the damages to both the employee’s vehicle and to the other person’s vehicle and/or property, and will provide liability insurance coverage.


So either he's an air exception driver or he shouldn't have been using his personal vehicle. Take your pick.

 

[Mugarolla]

No..no we're not properly staffed. And if you scroll up just a little bit the OP said, he did not get proper compensation.

That's what he said

I don't mind it since overtime hours but shouldn't
he pay rate be more comparable to PVD and not my 16.50

But

Part-time air drivers including exception air drivers will be paid as follows:

Start $12.50

So either he's an air exception driver or he shouldn't have been using his personal vehicle.

He is not a qualified air exception driver. He cannot be a qualified air exception driver.

You never heard the union and company come to a conclusion using terminology such as...for the purposes of this case, we agree that the language shall apply, and only apply for this particular instance?

As he shuttled the packages, he was covered by the air exception language, even though he was not technically an air exception driver. But once he was finished, he was no longer covered and no benefits remain.

He was never, and is not now, an air exception driver.

I know, double talk, right?

Go figure.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

He is not a qualified air exception driver. He cannot be a qualified air exception driver.

You never heard the union and company come to a conclusion using terminology such as...for the purposes of this case, we agree that the language shall apply, and only apply for this particular instance?

As he shuttled the packages, he was covered by the air exception language, even though he was not technically an air exception driver. But once he was finished, he was no longer covered and no benefits remain.

He was never, and is not now, an air exception driver.

I know, double talk, right?

Go figure.

Bottom line is, he shouldn't be shuttling packages, we both know it.
He's not qualified, he's using his personal vehicle and not being reimbursed, it's a total scam.

If they fail to properly staff their building, then they need to have management shuttle the packages and pay grievances at top rate to bid drivers. End of story.

 

[ThatOnePreloader]

That's what he said



But

Part-time air drivers including exception air drivers will be paid as follows:

Start $12.50




He is not a qualified air exception driver. He cannot be a qualified air exception driver.

You never heard the union and company come to a conclusion using terminology such as...for the purposes of this case, we agree that the language shall apply, and only apply for this particular instance?

As he shuttled the packages, he was covered by the air exception language, even though he was not technically an air exception driver. But once he was finished, he was no longer covered and no benefits remain.

He was never, and is not now, an air exception driver.

I know, double talk, right?

Go figure.

I only got my OT rate because I never clocked out. Had I not gotten 5 hours that day, lets say only 3.5, a majority of shuttling I would have been paid 11/hr.

 

[FrigidFTSup]

Provide proof then. If it were allowed, they would be doing it more. Cut the bull.

I provided proof but you continue to stick your fingers in your ears like a child

 

[ThatOnePreloader]

Bottom line is, he shouldn't be shuttling packages, we both know it.
He's not qualified, he's using his personal vehicle and not being reimbursed, it's a total scam.

If they fail to properly staff their building, then they need to have management shuttle the packages and pay grievances at top rate to bid drivers. End of story.

We haven't been properly staffed in months. I guess they're trying to save before peak. I got moved to a certain location Aug. 17 and I have 5 trucks, and a trailer that goes to a distribution center all to myself. Sometimes the sorter for our belt (it's a position on a platform that can't be accessed quickly) leaves to do air shuttle (of all things, lol). This results in me going up a ladder, sorting, going back down to the belt and repeat. Already filed an overworking grievance and today there was a Business Agent from teamsters to investigate. I'm sure we'll get hammered about understaffing soon.

 

[What The Hawk?]

I provided proof but you continue to stick your fingers in your ears like a child

Sorry but many drivers agree that this is not allowed.

 

[Mugarolla]

Bottom line is, he shouldn't be shuttling packages, we both know it.

Agreed.

He's not qualified

Not to air drive, but to shuttle....there is no qualification requirement.

not being reimbursed

He should be getting mileage.

If they fail to properly staff their building, then they need to have management shuttle the packages and pay grievances at top rate to bid drivers. End of story.

You know how this works.

This was unforeseen, due to call-ins, late air trailers, etc and whatever UPS claims. This then goes to present, qualified and available. Guess what. No qualified and available to run them.

No grievance to win.

Now, if this was a daily occurrence, there is merit for a grievance because there is a need for a shuttle job, or to have an air driver on stand by.

If this happens a couple times a month, you know better. The Union will never make them put in a job, or have someone present, for an exception a couple times a month.

I only got my OT rate because I never clocked out. Had I not gotten 5 hours that day, lets say only 3.5, a majority of shuttling I would have been paid 11/hr.

How do you know. Sounds like you only did this once.

Again, this is not an everyday occurrence.

overworking grievance

Funny

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

We haven't been properly staffed in months. I guess they're trying to save before peak. I got moved to a certain location Aug. 17 and I have 5 trucks, and a trailer that goes to a distribution center all to myself. Sometimes the sorter for our belt (it's a position on a platform that can't be accessed quickly) leaves to do air shuttle (of all things, lol). This results in me going up a ladder, sorting, going back down to the belt and repeat. Already filed an overworking grievance and today there was a Business Agent from teamsters to investigate. I'm sure we'll get hammered about understaffing soon.

If your business agent is on property poking around, I'd bet good money somebody's already got a grievance in that's gonna pay out from these shenanigans.