Islam

[El Correcto]

You're still focusing on Islam.

As if Christianity wasn't also spread by the sword.

As an outside observer, I see both religions having an inherently peaceful message.

After all, the point is union with the divine, no?

However, it goes south rather quickly upon execution by the followers of either religion.

You and I could trade Bible and Koran versus for the next decade and we'd get nowhere - there are messages of peace and war simultaneously in both texts.

I just don't agree with you that Islam is the terror that you think it is.

History moves in waves. Don't equate Islam with the idiots that perpetuate violence in it's name, they'e not true Muslims.

Can you please point to the peaceful message in Islam?

 

[vantexan]

You're still focusing on Islam.

As if Christianity wasn't also spread by the sword.

As an outside observer, I see both religions having an inherently peaceful message.

After all, the point is union with the divine, no?

However, it goes south rather quickly upon execution by the followers of either religion.

You and I could trade Bible and Koran versus for the next decade and we'd get nowhere - there are messages of peace and war simultaneously in both texts.

I just don't agree with you that Islam is the terror that you think it is.

History moves in waves. Don't equate Islam with the idiots that perpetuate violence in it's name, they'e not true Muslims.

Show me the hundreds of battles fought in Muslim lands by Christian armies seeking to convert them by the sword? And if Christian armies were forcing Christianity everywhere they went, why isn't India a Christian nation? Why not Malaysia? Egypt? Your whitewashing of history just doesn't hold up.

 

[El Correcto]

You're still focusing on Islam.

As if Christianity wasn't also spread by the sword.

As an outside observer, I see both religions having an inherently peaceful message.

After all, the point is union with the divine, no?

However, it goes south rather quickly upon execution by the followers of either religion.

You and I could trade Bible and Koran versus for the next decade and we'd get nowhere - there are messages of peace and war simultaneously in both texts.

I just don't agree with you that Islam is the terror that you think it is.

History moves in waves. Don't equate Islam with the idiots that perpetuate violence in it's name, they'e not true Muslims.

Everything I see pointing towards Islam being peaceful has clauses in it. You got to read the fine print.

Islam is like a beehive, you get close to them and you get stung after being declared an aggressor.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Your whitewashing of history just doesn't hold up.

 

[vantexan]

Red Power! All you pigment impaired go back to Europe and take your Black buddies with you! Not at least a quarter Red, you must give your property to us Natives*. *Not available in Idaho and Mississippi.

 

[newfie]

Can you please point to the peaceful message in Islam?

3.3 when the white infidel is dead the valley will be peaceful

 

[BrownFlush]

If you need religion in order to not be a POS, you're probably a POS.

You need religion so you can know what a POS is , and what a POS isn't.

 

[BrownFlush]

In either case, yes, I can assure you that I can differentiate between good and bad, and that I'm quite cognizant of abject horror when I see it.

I'm completely confident that I can be a moral person and live a moral life without believing in..

Atheism taught you between good and bad, what abject horror is, how to be a moral person and live a moral life... Ok..Ok

Saying stupid stuff is fun until somebody tells you how stupid it is.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

You need religion so you can know what a POS is , and what a POS isn't.

Nope, I don't actually.
If you do, I'm glad you've got religion.

 

[BrownFlush]

Nope, I don't actually.
If you do, I'm glad you've got religion.

How do you kno... Wait..Already tried that.
I forgot..you're a natural born POS judge.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

How do you kno... Wait..Already tried that.
I forgot..you're a natural born judge.

Ok

 

[BrownArmy]

I'm not gonna quote y'all, but you basically asked the same question:

Show me in the Bible where it says do bad things/Show me in the Koran where it says do good things.

Really?

You can't simultaneously make the argument that a verse in the Koran defines the entire document but that a similar verse in the Bible is just a one off.

I'm outside of this Venn Diagram, I love all religious texts and hate the groups that organize around any one of them.

Have you read the Koran? Have you read the Bible?

Both are filled with majestic poetic grace and both are filled with murder, rape, and exhortations to kill the 'other'.

SMH

 

[vantexan]

I'm not gonna quote y'all, but you basically asked the same question:

Show me in the Bible where it says do bad things/Show me in the Koran where it says do good things.

Really?

You can't simultaneously make the argument that a verse in the Koran defines the entire document but that a similar verse in the Bible is just a one off.

I'm outside of this Venn Diagram, I love all religious texts and hate the groups that organize around any one of them.

Have you read the Koran? Have you read the Bible?

Both are filled with majestic poetic grace and both are filled with murder, rape, and exhortations to kill the 'other'.

SMH

Not in the New Testament. The New Testament is Christianity. No exhortations to kill there. Have you read it?

 

[BrownArmy]

Atheism taught you between good and bad, what abject horror is, how to be a moral person and live a moral life... Ok..Ok

Saying stupid stuff is fun until somebody tells you how stupid it is.

 

[BrownArmy]

Not in the New Testament. The New Testament is Christianity. No exhortations to kill there. Have you read it?

Have you?

 

[vantexan]

Have you?

Raised in a family of ministers and yes, many times over many years.

 

[BrownArmy]

Not in the New Testament. The New Testament is Christianity. No exhortations to kill there. Have you read it?

Violence index:

Old Testament > New Testament > Koran

 

[vantexan]

Violence index:

Old Testament > New Testament > Koran

Tell me where in the New Testament? Tell me why, even though majority of Christians aren't pro-gay, that gays have freedoms in predominantly Christian lands that they don't in Muslim lands? Why in most Muslim nations women don't enjoy the rights that women in predominantly Christian nations do? Why is it that Muslims can practice their religion openly in Christian lands, but put huge restrictions, if not ban altogether Christianity in their lands? They even imprison, even execute their own for converting. Show me a Muslim convert to Christianity and I'll show you someone who lives in a Christian country. Your arguments just don't hold up under scrutiny.

 

[BrownArmy]

Tell me where in the New Testament? Tell me why, even though majority of Christians aren't pro-gay, that gays have freedoms in predominantly Christian lands that they don't in Muslim lands? Why in most Muslim nations women don't enjoy the rights that women in predominantly Christian nations do? Why is it that Muslims can practice their religion openly in Christian lands, but put huge restrictions, if not ban altogether Christianity in their lands? They even imprison, even execute their own for converting. Show me a Muslim convert to Christianity and I'll show you someone who lives in a Christian country. Your arguments just don't hold up under scrutiny.

Deflection and nonsense.

I'll agree that the Old Testament is more violent than the New Testament, which is plenty violent, but I'm curious, why would you discount the Old Testament?

Are the OT and the NT not canon?

I'm not sure about your 'well, not in the NT' argument, which is not only false, but suspect.

People see what they want to see.

 

[vantexan]

Deflection and nonsense.

I'll agree that the Old Testament is more violent than the New Testament, which is plenty violent, but I'm curious, why would you discount the Old Testament?

Are the OT and the NT not canon?

I'm not sure about your 'well, not in the NT' argument, which is not only false, but suspect.

People see what they want to see.

Christianity is a "new testament", not the old, which was Jewish law. We learn from the Old Testament, but everything we need as Christians is found in the New Testament. It's a better way to live, and a radical departure from the the world as it was when founded. There is recounting of violence done against Christ and Christians in the New, but tell me where in the New Testament are we commanded to commit violence? To wage war on unbelievers? When Peter cut off that soldier's ear Jesus healed the soldier and told Peter if he lived by the sword he would die by it too. The battles we fight as Christians are spiritual battles, not physical.