Islam

[vantexan]

Doesn't change the fact people still killed in his name lol. Do I need to show you lists of murders and atrocities Christians have also committed in history?

I did some reading today and I also found these verses, by the way:

"Deuteronomy 25:11-1: If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity."

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
Exodus 21: 7-8

"Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery." (Luke 16:18)

"Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." (1 Peter 2:18)

The first two are from the Old Testament, not the New, the Christian testament. And you won't find Jesus ordering people to kill in his name, as you would Mohammed. Also keep in mind how the world was at the time of the inception of Christianity. Christianity led to it's demise.

 

[EnderTender]

The first two are from the Old Testament, not the New, the Christian testament. And you won't find Jesus ordering people to kill in his name, as you would Mohammed. Also keep in mind how the world was at the time of the inception of Christianity. Christianity led to it's demise.

But what about the fact that people still kill in Christ's name? Even if the book doesn't say to, people still committed attacks and genocide in the name of greed and god.

 

[vantexan]

This honestly needs to be done more often if people want to chat about Islam.

I honestly don't get why someone would criticize something yet not even talk to believers of that faith about it, it's incredibly hypocritical.

I went to Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, majority Muslim countries, and talked about their faith with them. At one point I was less than 200 miles from where a group of Western bicyclists in Tajikistan, including Americans, who were on a tour to promote peace and understanding, were mowed down by a car carrying ISIS sympathizers, who then proceeded to knife them to death. I can rest assured that when someone puts a moral equivalency between Christianity and Islam, that person almost always plays up the problems caused by claimed Christians in the past, and plays down the constant horrific attacks carried out by Muslim extremists in the present.

 

[vantexan]

But what about the fact that people still kill in Christ's name? Even if the book doesn't say to, people still committed attacks and genocide in the name of greed and god.

Let's look at Mexico. The Spanish came in and ran roughshod over the indigenous in their thirst for treasure. And many in the church hierarchy were complicit. At the same time there were dedicated priests who stood up to the evil being done and did everything in their power to protect the indigenous. Those priests were serving God's will. Those who weren't were serving themselves. "Their God is their belly" the Apostle Paul wrote about those who used the Church to their own ends. Bring up this all you want, and it's a valid argument, but doesn't change the fact that being a Christian isn't a lock on your eternal salvation. Those who've committed evil, in his name or otherwise, will be judged accordingly. Meanwhile we have a large segment of the Muslim population who fervently believe in striving towards ultimate domination of the world by Islam, and every time they commit a horrific act their apologists just ho hum it.

 

[EnderTender]

I went to Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, majority Muslim countries, and talked about their faith to them. At one point I was less than 200 miles from where a group of Western bicyclists in Tajikistan, including Americans, who were on a tour to promote peace and understanding, were mowed down by car carrying ISIS sympathizers, who then proceeded to knife them to death. I can rest assured that when someone puts a moral equivalency between Christianity and Islam, that person almost always plays up the problems caused by claimed Christians in the past, and plays down the constant horrific attacks carried out by Muslim extremists in the present.

I'm curious, what do you think about Sufi muslims?

 

[vantexan]

I'm curious, what do you think about Sufi muslims?

I really don't know much about them other than they are a much smaller sect. I think generally they are peaceable, as is the sect that dominates Malaysia and Indonesia. Not fair to paint them all the same way. There are people in the U.S. born into Christianity that don't practice it. I would imagine in even the strictest Muslim countries there are those raised in it who don't believe it. But it might be dangerous in the strictest countries to say so. The doctor who put my arterial stent in is Muslim. As good a man as you'll ever meet. Didn't strike me as a fundamentalist.

 

[EnderTender]

Let's look at Mexico. The Spanish came in and ran roughshod over the indigenous in their thirst for treasure. And many in the church hierarchy were complicit. At the same time there were dedicated priests who stood up to the evil being done and did everything in their power to protect the indigenous. Those priests were serving God's will. Those who weren't were serving themselves. "Their God is their belly" the Apostle Paul wrote about those who used the Church to their own ends. Bring up this all you want, and it's a valid argument, but doesn't change the fact that being a Christian isn't a lock on your eternal salvation. Those who've committed evil, in his name or otherwise, will be judged accordingly. Meanwhile we have a large segment of the Muslim population who fervently believe in striving towards ultimate domination of the world by Islam, and every time they commit a horrific act their apologists just ho hum it.

What about all the Popes offering papal bulls and indulgences for the crusades?


You could definitely say that a good Muslims = bad people since the book is hmm (and I've read as much of it as I can), but you can also say that good Catholics = bad people since the old catholic rules equated to doing whatever the pop said.

 

[vantexan]

What about all the Popes offering papal bulls and indulgences for the crusades?


You could definitely say that a good Muslims = bad people since the book is hmm (and I've read as much of it as I can), but you can also say that good Catholics = bad people since the old catholic rules equated to doing whatever the pop said.

And Christians broke away from the Catholic Church because of all the evil and irregularities being done. Called the Reformation, first lead by Catholic priest Martin Luther. And to counter that the Catholics had their own reformation, led by those like St. Francis Assisi. I guess you're wanting to point to a perfect institution, but on Earth it's lead by imperfect men who often do bad things. There was a time when kings bowed to the power of the church. That kind of power corrupts. At the same time simple faith throughout the centuries is what has kept it going. And again, you really can't point to large groups of Christians anywhere right now attacking innocent Muslims. Only recent example was Serbia attacking Kosovo. And again, what they were doing wasn't Christianity. But there are scores of examples of Muslims attacking Christians. Right now the MSM is ignoring the wholesale slaughter of Christians in Nigeria. Why is that?

 

[El Correcto]

I really don't know much about them other than they are a much smaller sect. I think generally they are peaceable, as is the sect that dominates Malaysia and Indonesia. Not fair to paint them all the same way. There are people in the U.S. born into Christianity that don't practice it. I would imagine in even the strictest Muslim countries there are those raised in it who don't believe it. But it might be dangerous in the strictest countries to say so. The doctor who put my arterial stent in is Muslim. As good a man as you'll ever meet. Didn't strike me as a fundamentalist.

Did you use your socialist insurance for that?

 

[vantexan]

Did you use your socialist insurance for that?

I was an employee with healthcare at the time. Are you against that too?

 

[El Correcto]

I was an employee with healthcare at the time. Are you against that too?

Actually yes third party payers and regulations to prevent free markets are bad.

 

[vantexan]

Actually yes third party payers and regulations to prevent free markets are bad.

You're hopeless amigo.

 

[newfie]

Really?
There is a mosque in my city that has decent, law abiding, tax paying citizens living in the residences across the street.

Every Friday the street is essentially blocked by taxi's parked by worshipping "muslims". Emergency equipment couldn't get through if they needed to. The police have been informed. "there's nothing we can do" they say.

When confronted about the issue, the muslims have said, "...we own the street.".

Really?

The police must have that growing fear of Muslims @bacha29 was speaking of. Oh wait they don't want to be accused of being racist

 

[newfie]

What about all the Popes offering papal bulls and indulgences for the crusades?


You could definitely say that a good Muslims = bad people since the book is hmm (and I've read as much of it as I can), but you can also say that good Catholics = bad people since the old catholic rules equated to doing whatever the pop said.

What one religion did a 1000 years ago justifies what a religion does in today's world?

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Christianity has plenty of blood on it's hands as well. The only difference is that it's not as recent . It's like I said earlier civilizations have spent the last 8000+ years destroying each other over the question of who's God is the true God and who loves him more all done in the pursuit of power and control over the masses and judging by recent events mankind will continue the practice for centuries to come.

That’s a superficial understanding ... the killing ‘in the name of a religion’ was just an excuse to plunder and acquire territory.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

What one religion did a 1000 years ago justifies what a religion does in today's world?

If Obama did it and now Trump does it ... does that justify it?

 

[MrFedEx]

What one religion did a 1000 years ago justifies what a religion does in today's world?

MBS is paying "blood money" to the Khashoggi family so the killers won't get the death penalty. I don't know if that's Saudi custom or Islam rules but either way the real killer (MBS) gets away with it. The Middle East is just plain effed-up.

I'd like to see someone off MBS, just because the little rich punk deserves it.

 

[bacha29]

What one religion did a 1000 years ago justifies what a religion does in today's world?

Justified or not what religions did a thousand years ago is what drives them to this very day. In fact you'll be hard pressed to find any major global religion that did not at some time in it's history use violent means in an attempt to conform the populace to it's belief system.

 

[newfie]

If Obama did it and now Trump does it ... does that justify it?

its kind of funny in a strange way. I think both sides of this ridiculous argument agree that religious extremism is wrong. rather then come to that mutually shared agreement we keep engaging in whataboutisms

 

[vantexan]

Justified or not what religions did a thousand years ago is what drives them to this very day. In fact you'll be hard pressed to find any major global religion that did not at some time in it's history use violent means in an attempt to conform the populace to it's belief system.

So, who is doing that right now?