Jordan carries out air strikes in Iraq, killing 55 IS militants

ImWaitingForTheDay

Annoy a conservative....Think for yourself
The 2 men solely responsible for the reason "Obama pulled the troops out of Iraq" can be identified below. Now Obama is guilty of following what these 2 men set in place as a legally binding framework so if that is a crime, so be it. But if following law means anything, Obama was following such and the real culprits of the Iraq troop withdrawal are these 2 men. Includes the famous shoe throwing event.

December 8, 2008' press conference on the signing of the Status of Forces agreement binding on the United States to have all troops removed from Iraq by 2011'
Thanks for a succinct and accurate summary of the motivations behind the planned pullout of American forces, which any scholarly history account will show is true. Unfortunately the Conservative zealot trolls are out in numbers on this post, presenting their own revision of history.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Take your attempt at propaganda to breitbart or Fox. That's the echo chamber you're looking for.

You still haven't explained why your hero Obama is sending soldiers to Iraq other than your automatic mindless blame Bush response even though there is no way you can reasonably blame this mess Obama made on Bush.
 

ImWaitingForTheDay

Annoy a conservative....Think for yourself
You still haven't explained why your hero Obama is sending soldiers to Iraq other than your automatic mindless blame Bush response even though there is no way you can reasonably blame this mess Obama made on Bush.
Ignorance of the reality of history is a tenet of the right. Just continue to rewrite it for your benefit.Own it, Mythical Bush cultists.
 

bbsam

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Staff member
I am still waiting for you to explain Obama sending troops back into Iraq. All you have done is attempt to change the subject and deflect attention away from his failures.
Colin Powell said it years ago. You break it, you've bought it.

Pull out ,no pull out, doesn't really even matter. Blame? WTF does that even mean any more? A previous administration obligated us to Iraq for whatever reason. What that obligation remains for this administration has to be reassessed daily and will continue to be that for decades to come.
 

10 point

Well-Known Member
Colin Powell said it years ago. You break it, you've bought it.

Pull out ,no pull out, doesn't really even matter. Blame? WTF does that even mean any more? A previous administration obligated us to Iraq for whatever reason. What that obligation remains for this administration has to be reassessed daily and will continue to be that for decades to come.
Decades? We'll never totally get out of there now. Never.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Colin Powell said it years ago. You break it, you've bought it.

Pull out ,no pull out, doesn't really even matter. Blame? WTF does that even mean any more? A previous administration obligated us to Iraq for whatever reason. What that obligation remains for this administration has to be reassessed daily and will continue to be that for decades to come.

You could go back to the administration before Bush if you want to play that game. Obama has been in charge for 6 years so trying to say it is anyone else's fault is a very weak argument.
 

bbsam

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Staff member
You could go back to the administration before Bush if you want to play that game. Obama has been in charge for 6 years so trying to say it is anyone else's fault is a very weak argument.
Fault? I don't get it. You wanna say Obama made a mistake pulling out? Ok. Others wanna say it's Bush's for going in. Ok. Again, outside the realm of silly bickering from both sides and (and the ridiculous notion that anyone is "scoring points" and proving themselves somehow "superior") nothing changes. What difference does it make today that Obama pulled troops out if they are going back in? Fact is we'll be there in one capacity or another for a long, long time and the Jeffersonian democracy we were bringing as liberators may never come into fruition. You want to blame Obama for that? That's being disingenuous.
 

bbsam

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Staff member
You could go back to the administration before Bush if you want to play that game. Obama has been in charge for 6 years so trying to say it is anyone else's fault is a very weak argument.
And maybe this is how it always should have been. Regional nations policing the area. I thought Jordan would have had boots on the ground by now. Saudis and Egyptians too. That's the kind of movement that would have the Iraqi army finally standing up.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
And maybe this is how it always should have been. Regional nations policing the area. I thought Jordan would have had boots on the ground by now. Saudis and Egyptians too. That's the kind of movement that would have the Iraqi army finally standing up.

Jordan is next door and has justifiable reasons to get involved. ISIL burning that pilot was a very stupid move. Jordan was quietly opposed before but now the gloves will come off and they will get vicious in their response.
 

bbsam

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Staff member
And ISIS has more to think about now. Maybe the Americans would eventually leave. The Jordanians, Egyptians and Saudis aren't going anywhere. Iraqis need to step up if they don't want their nation forever occupied and oil money siphoned off to participating "security nations". This isn't the UN.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Colin Powell said it years ago. You break it, you've bought it.

Pull out ,no pull out, doesn't really even matter. Blame? WTF does that even mean any more? A previous administration obligated us to Iraq for whatever reason. What that obligation remains for this administration has to be reassessed daily and will continue to be that for decades to come.
If we broke it, bought it, then why did we pull out?

Didn't Obama know that we "bought it"?
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
The degree to which you do not or choose not to understand is simply astonishing.
Again, hurl insults while dodging the question.

You got nothing but insults. No answers for YOUR PRESIDENT'S friend-UPS.

And you can't even see this, can you?
 
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