LGBTQ

[DriveInDriveOut]

What if their tax dollars that would go to public schools wouldn’t cover the cost of their child’s education at a private school and the parent is unable to make up the difference?
What if politicians use this as a way to pay off their supporters by using their supporters tax dollars to fund their supporter’s child’s education while also damning the poor people to even worse public schools?

The same way leftists propose burn it all down the right can do that to. I do not like that approach and do not find it matching conservative values to knee jerk society out of something that has had a great positive impact on it over modern day outrage politics.

I'm sure it's different in every area, but I know for a fact the cost per child is higher at public schools than it is at most of the private schools here.

Where I'm at, right now we kind of have a version of the money following the kid via charter schools. But the state highly regulates them and what they can teach. The approval process to start one reaks of dirty politics, and they're almost all out of state large corporation types "nonprofits".

One of them dropped a ton of money in the area and ended up closing all the schools when they were about to lose their charter for poor performance. Turns out what works to teach ghetto kids in California didn't work out so well to teach ghetto kids in the South.

Local control is almost always a better option.

 

[El Correcto]

I'm sure it's different in every area, but I know for a fact the cost per child is higher at public schools than it is at most of the private schools here.

Where I'm at, right now we kind of have a version of the money following the kid via charter schools. But the state highly regulates them and what they can teach. The approval process to start one reaks of dirty politics, and they're almost all out of state large corporation types "nonprofits".

One of them dropped a ton of money in the area and ended up closing all the schools when they were about to lose their charter for poor performance. Turns out what works to teach ghetto kids in California didn't work out so well to teach ghetto kids in the South.

Local control is almost always a better option.

I guess private schools still have to be accredited to receive tax dollars and that is what happened in supreme court today?
They opened up religious schools to not be instantly dismissed because of their beliefs for tax vouchers so religious parents can send their kids there?

I’m not against giving public schools competition and parents a choice. Hopefully it is the best path forward.

Because Christian schools do not employ non-Christian’s. Also do not allow non-Christian curriculum to be taught. The parents school tax dollars should be going to the school that is teaching the child obviously. It is actually a crime to be any other way, I don’t understand how the criminal government gets away with it.

I’m just saying if funds start flooding out of public schools, yes it will harm them. I know next to nothing about the educational system in this country outside of being a little truant delinquent that almost dropped out of it.

 

[El Correcto]

I hate education for the sake of credentialism, that’s one strong stance I have on it. Wish college prep wasn’t the only acceptable form of education for kids, need more trade learning for teens, imo. If someone taught me the salaries of the different trades and let me choose one to start specializing in, that would of done me a world of good during my teens.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

 

[Operational needs]

I hate education for the sake of credentialism, that’s one strong stance I have on it. Wish college prep wasn’t the only acceptable form of education for kids, need more trade learning for teens, imo. If someone taught me the salaries of the different trades and let me choose one to start specializing in, that would of done me a world of good during my teens.

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Theres always mikeroweworks.org.

 

[El Correcto]

mikeroweWORKS Foundation

America is profoundly disconnected. We’re working to change that.

www.mikeroweworks.org

Theres always mikeroweworks.org.

Love that dude and his perspective on the working class bread and butter of this society.
There is absolutely no shame in a kid pursuing the trades and real world stuff over pissing away formative years of their life learning about Mars and chemistry. For ghetto kids that don’t see the college dream at the end of the tunnel show them dollar signs and teach them something that directly leads to it. They will be responsive to it over the idea of ever being a college grad.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

I guess private schools still have to be accredited to receive tax dollars and that is what happened in supreme court today?
They opened up religious schools to not be instantly dismissed because of their beliefs for tax vouchers so religious parents can send their kids there?

I’m not against giving public schools competition and parents a choice. Hopefully it is the best path forward.

I’m just saying if funds start flooding out of public schools, yes it will harm them. I know next to nothing about the educational system in this country outside of being a little truant delinquent that almost dropped out of it.

Funds are flooding out of public schools because they are so bad parents are being given little choice if they want their kids to not be abused or potentially murdered and get a half decent education. The failure of the public schools is theirs to own, 100%.

 

[El Correcto]

Funds are flooding out of public schools because they are so bad parents are being given little choice if they want their kids to not be abused or potentially murdered and get a half decent education. The failure of the public schools is theirs to own, 100%.

My biggest concern is the kids and family that don’t get a choice, if everyone gets it great, but damn that would suck to get stuck in a public school if they begin to crash and burn even worse than they are now without funding.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

My biggest concern is the kids and family that don’t get a choice, if everyone gets it great, but damn that would suck to get stuck in a public school if they begin to crash and burn even worse than they are now without funding.

That would suck. Almost as bad as having to spend 15 years in a public school

 

[Non liberal]

My biggest concern is the kids and family that don’t get a choice, if everyone gets it great, but damn that would suck to get stuck in a public school if they begin to crash and burn even worse than they are now without funding.

Unfortunately there is no reason for it. These schools do not need all the new iPads and computers for every kid, or the constant equipment buying for the sports teams, or the building of a new school every so often.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I guess private schools still have to be accredited to receive tax dollars and that is what happened in supreme court today?
They opened up religious schools to not be instantly dismissed because of their beliefs for tax vouchers so religious parents can send their kids there?

I’m not against giving public schools competition and parents a choice. Hopefully it is the best path forward.

Wow didn't know ruling came down.
That's great news.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I’m just saying if funds start flooding out of public schools, yes it will harm them. I know next to nothing about the educational system in this country outside of being a little truant delinquent that almost dropped out of it.

I have family in the public education field, and I used to feel the same way about charter schools. Like it's a bandaid that best case scenario helps a few and leaves the rest high and dry.

I've accepted that the public system is screwed either way. At least giving parents school choice helps those who want help.

Ideally, private schools expand and compete to the point where the only state run schools are for real delinquents that are hindering other kids' educations.

 

[El Correcto]

I have family in the public education field, and I used to feel the same way about charter schools. Like it's a bandaid that best case scenario helps a few and leaves the rest high and dry.

I've accepted that the public system is screwed either way. At least giving parents school choice helps those who want help.

Ideally, private schools expand and compete to the point where the only state run schools are for real delinquents that are hindering other kids' educations.

They already do this to little delinquents, I went to an alternative school twice for truancy and drug related stuff. Alternative school is basically a tiny single classroom building that if you screw up you will be sent to the juvie hall schools with the gang bangers.
Then I went to another school that was for kids at risk of dropping out, got a minimum diploma(no second language credit) and graduated a bit earlier than my original graduation date before being set back a grade.

Most of the main public high schools are full of decent kids, but some cities they are not. This definitely seems like it should be a local thing and not federalized across the country. If your kid is stuck in the O block public school in Chicago, yeah get them the hell out of there.

 

[El Correcto]

The only place left for delinquents to go in my state at least is juvenile halls once they get booted out of alternative schools. Other schools won’t accept you and some schools won’t accept you if you even been to an alternative school. Public schools do have standards for straight up criminals.

 

[El Correcto]

The exemption from compulsory attendance for students who have been expelled applies only in a school district that does not participate in a mandatory juvenile justice alternative education program. With certain exceptions, counties with populations greater than 125,000 are required to have JJAEPs. In those counties, expelled students are subject to compulsory attendance. Expelled students must attend the JJAEP, if they are placed there, or another educational program provided by the school district. If an expelled student from a county that does not have a JJAEP moves to a county that has a mandatory JJAEP, the new school district may honor the expulsion under Chapter 37 but must assign the student to either the JJAEP or another educational program provided by the school district for expelled students. An open-enrollment charter school may deny admission to a student expelled from a school district if its charter so provides.

 

[Mutineer]

Love that dude and his perspective on the working class bread and butter of this society.
There is absolutely no shame in a kid pursuing the trades and real world stuff over pissing away formative years of their life learning about Mars and chemistry. For ghetto kids that don’t see the college dream at the end of the tunnel show them dollar signs and teach them something that directly leads to it. They will be responsive to it over the idea of ever being a college grad.

Any normal idiot who wants to complete a skilled task, and knowing absolutely nothing about how to do it, can very often learn how to do it with youtube. And order the parts and tools online.

 

[El Correcto]

Any normal idiot who wants to complete a skilled task, and knowing absolutely nothing about how to do it, can very often learn how to do it with youtube. And order the parts and tools online.

A lot of place require certifications and in some states it’s the law for certain trades. I’m just saying as a career path for kids, it might be worth checking into getting them set up for trades rather than waste their time with college prep.

 

[Mutineer]

A lot of place require certifications and in some states it’s the law for certain trades. I’m just saying as a career path for kids, it might be worth checking into getting them set up for trades rather than waste their time with college prep.

I absolutely agree. Upon graduating high school, the first cruel lesson in irony I learned was: "I can't get a job cuz I ain't got no experience. And I ain't got no experience cuz I can't get a job."

Aside from the military and the porn industry, NOBODY wants to hire a dumb, 18yo kid!

 

[Non liberal]

A lot of place require certifications and in some states it’s the law for certain trades. I’m just saying as a career path for kids, it might be worth checking into getting them set up for trades rather than waste their time with college prep.

Absolutely, it’s what I’m going to steer my kids toward. They don’t need to go to college and get brainwashed with nonsense.

 

[Non liberal]

Any normal idiot who wants to complete a skilled task, and knowing absolutely nothing about how to do it, can very often learn how to do it with youtube. And order the parts and tools online.

Amen, even though they are anti free speech pricks, I have been able to save a few bucks by watching a few how to videos.