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What type of shady stuff were you doing with your own payroll that an audit upsets you so much? You didn't even have employees.Did you negotiate the audit. No you did not because you can't.
What type of shady stuff were you doing with your own payroll that an audit upsets you so much? You didn't even have employees.Did you negotiate the audit. No you did not because you can't.
What gives them the right. Besides that your forced to agree to it. Again, try to negotiate that you won't do it. Oh yea, it's not really a negotiation, I forgot!
Am I free to walk away and work elsewhere?What gives them the right. Besides that your forced to agree to it. Again, try to negotiate that you won't do it. Oh yea, it's not really a negotiation, I forgot!
And are you saying YOU are upset that I don't have as much say in the Agreement as YOU think I should?What gives them the right. Besides that your forced to agree to it. Again, try to negotiate that you won't do it. Oh yea, it's not really a negotiation, I forgot!
I think it's crossing the line. I felt very uncomfortable when I got audited, but I also agreed to it. It's b.s.What type of shady stuff were you doing with your own payroll that an audit upsets you so much? You didn't even have employees.
I agree it seems like crossing the line but at the same time I think it's all driven by keeping in legal compliance.I think it's crossing the line. I felt very uncomfortable when I got audited, but I also agreed to it. It's b.s.
It is crossing the line! Wake up!I agree it seems like crossing the line but at the same time I think it's all driven by keeping in legal compliance.
Am I free to go elsewhere?It is crossing the line! Wake up!
That's not really negotiating. That's your weak answer every time you don't have a legit answer.Am I free to go elsewhere?
Am I free to go elsewhere?
. Dmac, he's not going to answer because Fred hasn't told him how to answer.Why can't you hire subcontractors to deliver packages for you??? Why MUST you treat your drivers as employees????
You know why- it's because fedex wants to control every step of the delivery process- making you an employee, no matter how many routes you manage for them. All you are is a manager who takes on any risk fedex can get you to fall for. You can't expand past their artificial limits, you don't have 'unlimited' potential. Fedex STRICTLY limits what you can and can't do.
How come you can't deliver appliances for Sears in the same truck that you use for fedex at the same time???? Is it because you can choose what goes in your vehicle????
All the control makes you an employee, no matter that it hasn't yet been litigated. Fedex can call you an ISP, and you can pretend that you believe it. But when they control what you can put in YOUR vehicle, who can drive YOUR vehicle, and tell you where to be and when to be there in your own vehicle, you are not making your own decisions. Why can't you buy an old Geo metro and put all your rural deliveries in it to save on fuel, or hire someone with a moped to drop off a few packages for you?
You don't run the service the way you want if you were truly independent- you run it the way they want you to run it.
No it's because it is the same worthless argument. You both know the reasons same as everyone that has been involved with this business.. Dmac, he's not going to answer because Fred hasn't told him how to answer.
Actually, I've always run my business with employees rather than subcontractors. Why? Because legally I had to. Why does X demand we use employees rather than subcontractors? Because too many companies exploit subcontracting and misclassified them.Why can't you hire subcontractors to deliver packages for you??? Why MUST you treat your drivers as employees????
You know why- it's because fedex wants to control every step of the delivery process- making you an employee, no matter how many routes you manage for them. All you are is a manager who takes on any risk fedex can get you to fall for. You can't expand past their artificial limits, you don't have 'unlimited' potential. Fedex STRICTLY limits what you can and can't do.
How come you can't deliver appliances for Sears in the same truck that you use for fedex at the same time???? Is it because you can choose what goes in your vehicle????
All the control makes you an employee, no matter that it hasn't yet been litigated. Fedex can call you an ISP, and you can pretend that you believe it. But when they control what you can put in YOUR vehicle, who can drive YOUR vehicle, and tell you where to be and when to be there in your own vehicle, you are not making your own decisions. Why can't you buy an old Geo metro and put all your rural deliveries in it to save on fuel, or hire someone with a moped to drop off a few packages for you?
You don't run the service the way you want if you were truly independent- you run it the way they want you to run it.
It's too late for them, they are in too deep. Fred has them brainwashed. Let them believe the are great entrepreneurs. They must defend the scam.You are wrong. Legally, you can use subcontractors if you have your own business. But fedex won't let you. You could subcontract to a local courier company, or even an Uber driver. You could have people with smaller vehicles call in daily to see if you have work for them. Only certain vehicles need DOT numbers and you know that, but don't want to admit it to yourself. A package doesn't require that a fedex marked vehicle deliver it- fedex requires it. You really need to quit lying to yourself.
Legally I can but not be able to run it the way I want to. The subcontractor would have to do his own taxes pay for fuel, repairs, could set his own hours etc.You are wrong. Legally, you can use subcontractors if you have your own business. But fedex won't let you. You could subcontract to a local courier company, or even an Uber driver. You could have people with smaller vehicles call in daily to see if you have work for them. Only certain vehicles need DOT numbers and you know that, but don't want to admit it to yourself. A package doesn't require that a fedex marked vehicle deliver it- fedex requires it. You really need to quit lying to yourself.
I have an unmarked truck that delivers on a daily basis. had a minivan like that too.You are wrong. Legally, you can use subcontractors if you have your own business. But fedex won't let you. You could subcontract to a local courier company, or even an Uber driver. You could have people with smaller vehicles call in daily to see if you have work for them. Only certain vehicles need DOT numbers and you know that, but don't want to admit it to yourself. A package doesn't require that a fedex marked vehicle deliver it- fedex requires it. You really need to quit lying to yourself.
Legally I can but not be able to run it the way I want to. The subcontractor would have to do his own taxes pay for fuel, repairs, could set his own hours etc.
Honestly, I would say 99% (and probably more) of Ground contractors who operated with subcontractors were doing so illegally. And your assertion is that they should have that right and X should still have to do business with them?
What type of shady stuff were you doing with your own payroll that an audit upsets you so much? You didn't even have employees.
They've never audited my payroll. I've negotiated several times, they really don't care about my expenses. They care about how cheap they can get someone to do this for and that is based on what they pay everyone else. To determine wages they just need to look at publicly available data for average light duty truck drivers. We end up paying a bit more than average around here.They want to audit you so next contract negotiations, they have an edge. Knowing what you pay out tells them if they can cut your contract. How is that independent, when your 'customer' knows how much you are making, down to the penny, when you don't have the same right???? The knowledge they gain limits your ability to negotiate.