Lunch and 60/70hr rules.

[Mugarolla]

I was always curious why they counted my paid break towards my 60/70

I couldn't tell you. Maybe to avoid any possible HOS issues that they are not aware of? But it is of their own choosing. They don't have to under DOT HOS regulations.

I will say that it is not in black and white under the regulations, but the DOT has issued a guidance statement in 2013 clarifying their position on off-duty.

Maybe UPS, where you're at, does not want to take their word for it, since it's not in black and white.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I couldn't tell you. Maybe to avoid any possible HOS issues that they are not aware of? But it is of their own choosing. They don't have to under DOT HOS regulations.

I will say that it is not in black and white under the regulations, but the DOT has issued a guidance statement in 2013 clarifying their position on off-duty.

Maybe UPS, where you're at, does not want to take their word for it, since it's not in black and white.

Or they are just plain stupid...

 

[Brown echo]

Go wait by the phone

 

[Brown echo]

 

[Mugarolla]

Or they are just plain stupid...

I can agree on that...

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I can agree on that...

And somehow this company makes billions.

 

[Mugarolla]

And somehow this company makes billions.

I have always said that it would be ungodly how much money this company could make if someone who knew what they were doing were running it.

They are tripping over dollars to save a dime.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I have always said that it would be ungodly how much money this company could make if someone who knew what they were doing were running it.

They are tripping over dollars to save a dime.

Seriously I shake my head.
I'm.sure it's much cheaper to pay refunds in late air than actually having an extra driver or two..

 

[Mugarolla]

Seriously I shake my head.
I'm.sure it's much cheaper to pay refunds in late air than actually having an extra driver or two..

Service actually went out the window long time ago.

They should just change their name to United Parcel.

 

[Rack em]

Service actually went out the window long time ago.

They should just change their name to United Parcel.

UPC- United Parcel Company.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Refunds for late air changed a few years ago-----shippers no longer receive a full refund but instead get a refund for the difference in the service that they paid for and the service that they received. For example, a NDA with a 10:30 commit that is delivered late and has not been exception scanned for weather would be refunded for the difference between NDA and NDA Saver.

 

[Bubblehead]

Refunds for late air changed a few years ago-----shippers no longer receive a full refund but instead get a refund for the difference in the service that they paid for and the service that they received. For example, a NDA with a 10:30 commit that is delivered late and has not been exception scanned for weather would be refunded for the difference between NDA and NDA Saver.

Do you have link for that "fine print"?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Do you have link for that "fine print"?

No air.ite this week except for earlies

 

[Bubblehead]

No air.ite this week except for earlies

What???

 

[542thruNthru]

No air.ite this week except for earlies

What???

I speak a little gumby...

"No air commit this week except for early AM."

 

[Bubblehead]

Refunds for late air changed a few years ago-----shippers no longer receive a full refund but instead get a refund for the difference in the service that they paid for and the service that they received. For example, a NDA with a 10:30 commit that is delivered late and has not been exception scanned for weather would be refunded for the difference between NDA and NDA Saver.

Do you have link for that "fine print"?

My point is this, if it is even true, considering the source???

This premise is similar to going to the gas station and purchasing "premium" fuel from the appropriate nozzle, only to find out that they really sold you "regular", instead of a full refund, or even punitive damages.

Meanwhile your car's valves burn up, but UPS only wants to give you back the difference between the cost of the two grades of fuel purchased.

Seriously, how far can a disclaimer get you?

I call

 

[Turdferguson]

No air.ite this week except for earlies

ing A man!!!!!
I say we go kick their ass for calling us that......I just bought two sixteen packs of batteries, and two packs of socks for Christmas. We can break them socks in with a little sock party those bastards wont soon forget

 

[burrheadd]

ing A man!!!!!
I say we go kick their ass for calling us that......I just bought two sixteen packs of batteries, and two packs of socks for Christmas. We can break them socks in with a little sock party those bastards wont soon forget
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wtf are you going on about

you’re making as much sense as oldroaddog going on about her investments

 

[Turdferguson]

wtf are you going on about

you’re making as much sense as oldroaddog going on about her investments

Yeah well it killed me. So you pops

 

[TheBrownNote]

We used to have to count our paid breaks as on-duty time until about 5 years ago. We were told that some lawyer for UPS realized that we should count it as off-duty, especially since it could help out UPS hours wise.

The FMCSA has 2 requirements for logging time as off-duty, and a paid break is within the scope of those rules. We can leave the package car or tractor, and pursue whatever we want during that break. We can go inside a restaurant, golf, swim, go to a gym and workout...

Yes, I know, what can you do in 10 minutes, but it does satisfy the requirements of pursuing activities of our choosing.

The 2 requirements are as follows. Judge for yourself as to what you are allowed to do during your break. UPS may have you count them against your 60/70, but, that is of their choosing, not the DOT's.

1. The driver is relieved of all duty and responsibility for the care and custody of the vehicle, its accessories, and any cargo or passengers it may be carrying.

2. During the stop, and for the duration of the stop, the driver must be at liberty to pursue activities of his/her own choosing.

one could argue that piont #1 about time off doesnt apply. sure we could walk away, but are we really resolved of all resposibility of our car and contents?

if someone hits you while on lunch and youre inside getting food, does the company really NOT hold that accident againstbyou?