Being new to this forum i have learned a lot some helpful and some very discouraging. To the critisism of all i say all is lost and union members my best advice would probably suggest you start withdrawing membership from youre collective locals. Here's a list of points that probably would have went over better: 1. Go ahead and let supervisors work and when there caught we'll pay them double-time out of our pockets. 2. Forget our pensions let's give that back to UPS for investment into smart hubs and technology to replace all of us. 3. Wages... lets freeze all of them until our jobs are phased out and the increases we have coming until 2013 lets donate them to the United Way. 4. Insurance... youre kidding right? Go get medicare! 5.Seniority... none machines our doing our jobs now! Maybe if i would have came with this attitude i would have been cheered instead of booooed of the stage!?! Im done in this forum i have truely discovered there is no hope and most are thankful for what little we recieve and record givebacks gone unchecked.Its sad that this is veiwed as par for the course and accepted across the board. Good luck to all and instead of using the power of the word or the pen here i'd probably be better off typing up my intent for supervision letter.