I know but isn't it fun anyway? It is great on this thread when someone used Time magazine as a source for something. Let's see they were wrong on the ice age, wrong on global warming, wrong on the Marines in Haditha, but they supposedly got something right about religion.
AV8,
wrong on haditha?? Man what are you smoking?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/03/AR2006060300710_pf.html
(CBS) This segment was originally broadcast on March 18, 2007. It was updated on Aug. 29, 2007.
On Nov. 19, 2005, United States Marines killed 24 apparently innocent civilians in an Iraqi town called Haditha. The dead included men, women and children as young as two years old. Iraqi witnesses said the Marines were on a rampage, slaughtering people in the street and in their homes. In December, four Marines were charged with murder.
Was it murder? Was Haditha a massacre? A military jury will decide. But, there’s no question that Haditha is symbolic of a war that leaves American troops with terrible choices. The Marine making those choices in Haditha was a 25-year-old sergeant named Frank Wuterich. He’s charged with 18 murders, the most by far, and he's accused of lying on the day it happened.
Wuterich faces life in prison. None of the Marines charged with murder has spoken publicly about this. Now, Staff Sgt. Wuterich tells
60 Minutes correspondent
Scott Pelley he wants to tell the truth about the day he decided who would live and who would die in Haditha.
"Everyone visualizes me as a monster - a baby killer, cold-blooded, that sort of thing. And, it's, you know, that’s not accurate, and neither is the story that most of them know of this incident. They need to know the truth," Wuterich tells
Pelley.
Wuterich does not believe 24 dead civilians equates to a massacre.
"No, absolutely not… A massacre in my mind, by definition, is a large group of people being executed, being killed for absolutely no reason and that’s absolutely not what happened here," he says.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5439816
You ex GI's will exonerate any soldier guilty of commiting a horrific crime just to save face.
As i said before, I can list all the CONVICTIONS for your beloved soldiers who behave in this fashion. all you have to do is ask.
If you truly support the troops, you must also embrace the guilty. There actions have to be held accountable by our country as they cost the american taxpayer 10's of millions of dollars every month in war reparations.
Currently, INDIVIDUAL (by person) war reparations have totaled over 20 million dollars. Collectively, reparations for the country have totaled 500 million.
Its amazing how people look the other way in light of murdering of innocent civilians just so the truth can be swept under the rug.
Our failures are just as important as our successes.
Maybe you think Haditha was justified? Unarmed women and children killed in thier beds by marines. A disgusting piece of american history to be written.
What about the soldier who raped the iraqi girl, did time magazine have that wrong as well??
FORT CAMPBELL, Kentucky (AP) -- A soldier convicted of rape and murder in an attack on an Iraqi teenager and her family was sentenced Saturday to 110 years in prison.
The military says Pfc. Jesse Spielman will also be reduced in rank and be dishonorably discharged.
The sentence was part of a plea agreement attorneys for Pfc. Jesse Spielman had made with prosecutors.
It set the number of years he could serve in prison, regardless of the jury's recommendation.
The jury had recommended life with parole, a sentence under which he would have to wait longer for the possibility of parole. He will be eligible for parole after 10 years.
Spielman was convicted late Friday of rape, conspiracy to commit rape, housebreaking with intent to rape and four counts of felony murder.
Military prosecutors did not say Spielman took part in the rape or murders but alleged that he went to the house knowing what the others intended to do and served as a lookout.
Spielman, 23, of Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, received the longest sentence of four soldiers who have been convicted. Three other soldiers pleaded guilty under agreements with prosecutors for their roles in the assault and were given sentences ranging from five to 100 years.
Spielman's grandmother, Nancy Hess, collapsed outside the courtroom after the verdict was read; prosecutor Maj. William Fischbach ran to her side and called 911. Soldiers in Spielman's unit fanned the woman with napkins.
Spielman's sister, Paige Gerlach, screamed: "I hate the government. You people put him [in Iraq] and now, this happened."
Defense attorneys left immediately after the verdict was returned and could not be reached for comment.
Spielman had pleaded guilty on Monday to lesser charges of conspiracy to obstructing justice, arson, wrongfully touching a corpse and drinking. The 110-year sentence encompasses those crimes, too.
The case stemmed from the March 12, 2006, rape and slaying of Abeer Qassim al-Janabi, 14, and the killings of her parents and sister. The attack took place in Mahmoudiya, about 20 miles south of Baghdad.
Prosecutors rested their case Thursday amid struggles to overcome a fellow soldier's recanting of a story that Spielman acted as a lookout.
Spc. James Barker said in earlier testimony that he had allowed investigators to draft sworn statements for him that implicated Spielman.
Barker testified Wednesday that several portions of the document were untrue, including references to Spielman's role in the conspiracy to attack the family and his knowledge of plans to rape the girl.
But Sgt. Paul E. Cortez testified that Spielman stood guard. Cortez said Spielman was within a few feet of the others as they held down the screaming girl and did nothing to stop them.
Barker, Cortez and another soldier, Pfc. Bryan L. Howard, pleaded guilty for their roles.
Steven D. Green, who was discharged from the Army before being charged, faces a possible death sentence when he is tried in federal court in Kentucky. He has pleaded not guilty to charges that include murder and sexual assault.
Barker and Cortez gave investigators conflicting statements about whether Spielman knew of the plan to rape the girl and whether he was present when they discussed it over whiskey and gin, according to testimony.
During their courts-martial, Barker and Cortez testified they took turns raping the girl while Green shot and killed her mother, father and younger sister. Green shot the girl in the head after raping her, they said.
The girl's body was set on fire with kerosene to destroy the evidence, according to previous testimony.
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"are these the type of heroes you embrace AV8??"
Give me a break, I may puke.
Peace
Liberals don't even know what that means and that's part of the problem.
