Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.

wilberforce15

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That might work in big cities. Someone has to pay for those taxis, and I doubt it'll be that cheap to ride.
It will cost less per mile than a current bus ticket, and go directly from starting point to destination for each rider.

It's also cheaper per mile than just about all currently owner-occupied cars.

EV's are that cheap to run and easy to maintain. And they'll make billions off of price points that low.
 

Thebrownblob

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As soon as self-driving is perfected, Tesla will be making autonomous taxis by the millions for 25k in costs, and never selling them.
Then you'll pay by the mile to be transported.
Tesla will make a few hundred thousand on each vehicle, and you'll get cheaper transportation. You'll own nothing and be happy.
As will you. This isn’t going to be a very good long-term prospect for humanity Or For liberty and freedom. Imo
 

vantexan

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Homeboy is going to Mars on a rocket he built while running the fastest growing car company in history, and is building the most powerful AI platform in the world while buying Twitter with pocket change.

And you think he can't get copper.

lololololol
You just don't get it. The developing world needs copper. China needs huge amounts. EV's use a lot more copper and silver than ICE vehicles. Our housing industry needs copper. And the availability of silver is diminishing. Other countries are big consumers of silver too, especially India. It's not a matter of whether Musk can source it. It's a matter of scarcity. That's going to drive prices way up and that'll limit who can afford a Tesla. There won't be the equivalent of a $25k gas car that the masses can buy. If they truly get rid of gas cars then mass transportation will be radically different in the future.
 

wilberforce15

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You just don't get it. The developing world needs copper. China needs huge amounts. EV's use a lot more copper and silver than ICE vehicles. Our housing industry needs copper. And the availability of silver is diminishing. Other countries are big consumers of silver too, especially India. It's not a matter of whether Musk can source it. It's a matter of scarcity. That's going to drive prices way up and that'll limit who can afford a Tesla. There won't be the equivalent of a $25k gas car that the masses can buy. If they truly get rid of gas cars then mass transportation will be radically different in the future.
There won't be a 25k gas car that you can buy. They'll never sell it to anyone. They'll keep it and rent it to you by the autonomous mile.
Nobody you mention has higher margins or more leeway to pay increased prices than Tesla.
No automaker has ever manufactured and sold at such margins. They have no debt. He can outbid housing, the CCP, or anybody else, and still make cars profitably in the current price range or lower.
 

Thebrownblob

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No, I'm making my money off of knowing that future, so that I can buy things that get me out of it.

it's coming no matter what I do. I might as well use it to pay for my compound.
What’s coming will not allow you to keep your money, because they don’t believe it’s your money. it desires total control. Total obedience.
 

wilberforce15

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Decentralized crypto? Something else off the grid? Away from the banks? Will it really matter when they lock you out of all the buying institutions who are you gonna buy from? Track, Trace and Control. Hope your right.
Desperate people in arguments say pretty silly things.

We moved from the obvious superiority of the EV at almost all automotive tasks, and my SHTF plan is being interrogated.
 

vantexan

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There won't be a 25k gas car that you can buy. They'll never sell it to anyone. They'll keep it and rent it to you by the autonomous mile.
Nobody you mention has higher margins or more leeway to pay increased prices than Tesla.
No automaker has ever manufactured and sold at such margins. They have no debt. He can outbid housing, the CCP, or anybody else, and still make cars profitably in the current price range or lower.
Again, not understanding why you don't see this, the sheer amount of copper and especially silver you need to build all those cars just isn't there. It's not a matter of out bidding everyone else. China manufactures most of the stuff the world needs and they have a huge need for copper that won't go away. Our housing industry has to have copper and we already have a shortfall of housing in the millions. These industries are essential. They aren't going to go out of business because Tesla outbid them on available copper. The government isn't going to stifle construction in favor of building high end electric sedans. The biggest producer of copper, Chile, isn't going to exclusively sell to Tesla at the expense if everyone else. And the silver just isn't there.
 

wilberforce15

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Again, not understanding why you don't see this, the sheer amount of copper and especially silver you need to build all those cars just isn't there. It's not a matter of out bidding everyone else. China manufactures most of the stuff the world needs and they have a huge need for copper that won't go away. Our housing industry has to have copper and we already have a shortfall of housing in the millions. These industries are essential. They aren't going to go out of business because Tesla outbid them on available copper. The government isn't going to stifle construction in favor of building high end electric sedans. The biggest producer of copper, Chile, isn't going to exclusively sell to Tesla at the expense if everyone else. And the silver just isn't there.
If you believed that, you'd already be in a cabin in Montana.
Since you're not, I know you're just desperately trying to win internet awards.
I'm recalling why I had you on ignore for so long.
 

Thebrownblob

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Desperate people in arguments say pretty silly things.

We moved from the obvious superiority of the EV at almost all automotive tasks, and my SHTF plan is being interrogated.
Your SHTF plan embraces a technology you don’t even agree with? That is my point and I’m not desperate. Enlighten me.
 

vantexan

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Desperate people in arguments say pretty silly things.

We moved from the obvious superiority of the EV at almost all automotive tasks, and my SHTF plan is being interrogated.
The coming central bank digital currency may end up violating our privacy in ways we have thought of yet. Hopefully the courts will sort that out.
 

vantexan

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If you believed that, you'd already be in a cabin in Montana.
Since you're not, I know you're just desperately trying to win internet awards.
I'm recalling why I had you on ignore for so long.
Yes, instead of pointing out the flaws in my assertions you attack personally. Good luck with the EV's. I won't live long enough to see a lot of this but I think a lot of us will be on bikes in 10 years.
 

wilberforce15

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Yes, instead of pointing out the flaws in my assertions you attack personally. Good luck with the EV's. I won't live long enough to see a lot of this but I think a lot of us will be on bikes in 10 years.
I've pointed out the flaws. They're all silly. There is no shortage on the scale you're talking about.
If you believed there was, genuinely believed it, you'd have already bugged out.
So it's silly to continue. You don't even believe it yourself.
 
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