Payroll Tax Cut

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Yes, you're right, what Ford did was take out a government issued loan that interest was so low, the cost of inflation was higher, costing tax payers money in the long run. Although not as much as the TARP recipients. The fact 700b spent to save failing business models was still spent. But you are correct, Ford did it a different way.

I respectfully disagree. In theory, you are right, absolutely. But that's not the practice going on. Businesses like Wendy's, KFC and Papa John's used that bailout to buy their own stock. Not pay their employees any benefits or even their low salaries.

Really the point is, we, as a society tend to ignore the real problems with our oligarchy of a country and focus on "problems" that really should be human basic rights. Am I upset that they're illegal immigrants in the county that mooch off of the citizens, yes. But I'm more upset that we spent at least 1.3T so far on awful business practices, that most, do the bare minimum for our communities.

We work for a company that contracts union workers. We get to benefit more than any other employee in our fields because of that. Yet Ups still profits billions every year, despite contributing to our high salaries, best in class Healthcare, pension etc. Do we earn it? A big fat yes. But so does FedEx, DHL, the post office etc. Corporate greed is unbelievably upsetting and should upset every tax paying American. We should be focusing on real underlying issues, that cost us the most. Not trivial, relatively speaking, issues the media and our own govt want to divide us on.
UPS has income that covers all of that. Not everyone does. Would be nice to get that kind of pay if it's possible. I'll tell you what. You let us build that wall, and remove all alien criminals from the country, and I'll gladly let those who's only crime is coming up here the wrong way stay. Stop the flood continuing to seek a life here, and get rid of the criminal element. We can only do so much, and immigration should be orderly and controlled with rights and privileges first and foremost for our own citizens whether they were born here or immigrated here the right way. Any citizen dying at the hands of an illegal alien is one too many that should have never happened.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
I actually know very little about dogs. Mom was a crazy cat lady so we all grew up as crazy cat lady offspring. I know that they hate me when i pull up in old brown though lol but I broke them with treats, kinda like democrats w welfare lel
Went to a drug dealer's house one time. Had four huge pit bulls chained up around his yard that covered his front door from different directions. I could tell I'd better stay away from one of them but I ended up scratching the ears and petting the other three. They ate it up like all they wanted was a little love and attention. These were 100+ lb dogs with massive jaws and pure muscle. You should have seen the look on his face when I knocked on his door!
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Umm no tard it could have gotten much worse. Remember it was republicans who put us in that thought spot. Stop being stupid.
It was Republicans and Democrats and greedy Wall Street types and millions of people buying homes they couldn't afford that put us in that tough spot.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Stfu liar
Wow, nice. Sorry, I have an affinity with dogs that I don't have with a lot of people. That drug dealer said "Mister, I just want to know one thing?" I said "Oh? What's that?" He asked "how the hell did you get past my dogs?" I replied that me and dogs get along really well. He had an incredulous look and just said "huh".
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
A wall will literally do nothing to stop people from crossing. Large tunnels are being found every day. There are 2 very large bodies of water. Human trafficking is big business. You think they won't take a boat? If the US really wanted to stop illegal immigration, they would need to hold businesses accountable. Im talking very heavy fines, even jail for hiring or having anyone work for your company that is here illegally. Most illegal immigrants are here for work. You take away any possibility of work, a lot of that stops. Now, that won't stop it all, but it would be a great place to start. Not building a wall that will have very very small amounts of success.
The purpose of the wall is to slow down border jumpers so patrols have more time to intercept. We should start with increased scanning technology at legal points of entry though.

The ideal deterrent would be to end the welfare state and birthright citizenship.
 

floridays

Well-Known Member
We should be focusing on real underlying issues, that cost us the most.
I'll give you a virtual legal pad, the best place to start is with

1.

What are the underlying issues as you see them, what cost the most?

Be precise, I noticed you phrase some things as I do, be precise, you're new to me, consider this a get to knowing each other event, I'm overflowing in anticipation.

I'm feeling you out, not feeling you up.

Get busy.
 

fishtm2001

Well-Known Member
Bob Greenstein at the Center on Budget points out the shortcomings in Trump’s “executive actions,” which is a more accurate description than executive orders. What’s missing:

– Funding for testing, contract tracing and other critical publc health needs to help get the pandemic under control
– Food assistance for millions who aren’t getting enough to eat, including students missing out on school breakfast and lunch
– Extension of the federal eviction ban and funding to help renters struggling to pay the rent
– Funding for schools to provide distance learning and take needed precautions to reopen safely
– Funding to keep child care providers afloat so they can care for children safely when parents are able to work
– Fiscal relief for states, including additional Medicaid funding, to avoid more layoffs and cuts in health care and other critical state services
– Employment benefits at adequate levels that would last more than the next six weeks or so for people who have lost jobs.
 

Jakamoe

I work for teamsters, UPS contracted me
I'll give you a virtual legal pad, the best place to start is with

1.

What are the underlying issues as you see them, what cost the most?

I couldn't possibly write all the issues as I see them, but I will try my best to summarize.

Are you familiar with the 30 basic human rights adopted by the Roosevelt administration? Approved by the USA via the UN in the 1940s? We basically break, broken, or ignore every single one of them; always have.

Our education system is not uniformed, proper or even close to world leading in any regard, at the elementary levels.

We spend way too much capital on our military, and abuse our military personnel; we praise them as heroes, yet ignore them when they go back to being civilians.

Our gov't values business over its people. In every way possible. Starting from wages, tax exemptions, import/export, allowing businesses to be treated as a people entity, allowing business to donate to political campaigns, allowing businesses to lobby. etc. I think you see the point here. We claim to be a democratic capitalist nation, but we do not practice it. We allow horrid practices such as stock buybacks, allow businesses to go so far in debt, and then pay that debt with taxes.

Our tax system as a whole is an issue. We pay way too much in taxes. By the time we get our paycheck we lose about 25%-30%. Then pay additional taxes for our property, which we technically don't even own anymore, although we should via the constitution. Then pay taxes on services, goods, imports, exports, healthcare, surcharges, the right to travel roads etc. By the time it's all said and done, we probably lose around 60% of our money just to taxes. But we refuse to fully tax businesses, religious groups, and then on top of that, even owe them money after deductions etc. Its a ridiculously complicated system that's not even taught in schools.

We are a democratic nation that cannot directly vote for our representation. The constitution was designed to allow white, rich, powerful men elect our representation. It has been tweaked over the course of the many years to encompass a more "democratic" way, but we, the people, still do not directly vote for our representation. Jerry meandering, electoral college and other processes have been adopted to rig the political process in a more favorable way to keep the same politicians in office, instead of updating with times.

Our news, which is directly mentioned via the Constitution, is a joke. There is no accountability, no fact checking, it is used to serve a particular political party, business or other powerful entity. Not to educate its citizens, but to demoralize, and divide.

We are not free. We are spied on by our government, spied on by big business. Every single day. We are controlled as a populace. We do not own anything. You own a home? Try telling Uncle Sam that when they want to build a freeway, or tell that oil company when they want to build a pipeline through your yard. You own a car to travel our public highways? Get ready to pay taxes to the DMV, endure travel checkpoints, pay taxes to even ride that highway, bridge, tunnel.

We are disillusioned to believe we are free, we have free public speech; unless of course that opinion is different from yours. The right to protest our gov't, unless it doesn't agree with their agenda. The right to bear arms to protect ourselves from a tyrannical gov't, but then they take away, or make impossible to own those said arms.

Lastly, we are stuck in a paradigm of 40 hour work weeks, low wages, high taxes, that has not changed since the early to mid 1900s. It used to be 40 hour work week, for the "man" of the house, who earned a livable wage for the entire family. Women typically stayed home to address home affairs (children, tending to housework, cooking etc.). Men would be able to pay for mortgages, feed their families and support them financially while women would be in control the house, children and daily affairs needed to keep up. Today, both parents are expected to work 40 hour work weeks, that when combined often don't equal what wages used to be for a single person. Then expected to come home, take care of the children, cook, tend to their property. Big business not only pays less per household compared to 40 years ago, but they gained 40 hour more work power from women. It is a physically exhausting system. We now ignore our children. Home skills are rapidly declining, we hire outside help to tend to our house. We use programs such as door dash or pay for already prepped food more. Etc. Because we are too exhausted from big business demands.

Phew. Any of this tickle your fancy?
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
Umm no tard it could have gotten much worse. Remember it was republicans who put us in that thought spot. Stop being stupid.

um no , Obama inherited an economy that had fallen so much that even with him enacting many very anti business policies it still rebounded. all trump had to do was strip the obama chokeholds on the economy and it took off like a bottle rocket.
i really dont care which of the two major parties you think you wish to blame.
 

It will be fine

Well-Known Member
um no , Obama inherited an economy that had fallen so much that even with him enacting many very anti business policies it still rebounded. all trump had to do was strip the obama chokeholds on the economy and it took off like a bottle rocket.
i really dont care which of the two major parties you think you wish to blame.
Which economic indicator took off like a rocket?
 

oldngray

nowhere special
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fishtm2001

Well-Known Member
"So now Schumer and Pelosi want to meet to make a deal. Amazing how it all works, isn’t it. Where have they been for the last 4 weeks when they were “hardliners”, and only wanted BAILOUT MONEY for Democrat run states and cities that are failing badly? They know my phone number"!
9:10 AM · Aug 10, 2020


fiction

 

fishtm2001

Well-Known Member
"Trump’s payroll tax cut — an idea that he’s long been musing over, despite its unpopularity in both parties — is also riddled with problems. Without an act of Congress, the taxes would be due at some point in the future, making it a risk for employers to stop taking the money out of employees’ paychecks now. Trump said that he’d consider making the tax cut permanent — but only if he’s reelected.

And even if the employers took the chance, it would take a while to change their systems. Critics have also been up in arms over the potential blow to Social Security and Medicare, both of which get some funding from the tax."

Kate Riga
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
I couldn't possibly write all the issues as I see them, but I will try my best to summarize.

Are you familiar with the 30 basic human rights adopted by the Roosevelt administration? Approved by the USA via the UN in the 1940s? We basically break, broken, or ignore every single one of them; always have.

Our education system is not uniformed, proper or even close to world leading in any regard, at the elementary levels.

We spend way too much capital on our military, and abuse our military personnel; we praise them as heroes, yet ignore them when they go back to being civilians.

Our gov't values business over its people. In every way possible. Starting from wages, tax exemptions, import/export, allowing businesses to be treated as a people entity, allowing business to donate to political campaigns, allowing businesses to lobby. etc. I think you see the point here. We claim to be a democratic capitalist nation, but we do not practice it. We allow horrid practices such as stock buybacks, allow businesses to go so far in debt, and then pay that debt with taxes.

Our tax system as a whole is an issue. We pay way too much in taxes. By the time we get our paycheck we lose about 25%-30%. Then pay additional taxes for our property, which we technically don't even own anymore, although we should via the constitution. Then pay taxes on services, goods, imports, exports, healthcare, surcharges, the right to travel roads etc. By the time it's all said and done, we probably lose around 60% of our money just to taxes. But we refuse to fully tax businesses, religious groups, and then on top of that, even owe them money after deductions etc. Its a ridiculously complicated system that's not even taught in schools.

We are a democratic nation that cannot directly vote for our representation. The constitution was designed to allow white, rich, powerful men elect our representation. It has been tweaked over the course of the many years to encompass a more "democratic" way, but we, the people, still do not directly vote for our representation. Jerry meandering, electoral college and other processes have been adopted to rig the political process in a more favorable way to keep the same politicians in office, instead of updating with times.

Our news, which is directly mentioned via the Constitution, is a joke. There is no accountability, no fact checking, it is used to serve a particular political party, business or other powerful entity. Not to educate its citizens, but to demoralize, and divide.

We are not free. We are spied on by our government, spied on by big business. Every single day. We are controlled as a populace. We do not own anything. You own a home? Try telling Uncle Sam that when they want to build a freeway, or tell that oil company when they want to build a pipeline through your yard. You own a car to travel our public highways? Get ready to pay taxes to the DMV, endure travel checkpoints, pay taxes to even ride that highway, bridge, tunnel.

We are disillusioned to believe we are free, we have free public speech; unless of course that opinion is different from yours. The right to protest our gov't, unless it doesn't agree with their agenda. The right to bear arms to protect ourselves from a tyrannical gov't, but then they take away, or make impossible to own those said arms.

Lastly, we are stuck in a paradigm of 40 hour work weeks, low wages, high taxes, that has not changed since the early to mid 1900s. It used to be 40 hour work week, for the "man" of the house, who earned a livable wage for the entire family. Women typically stayed home to address home affairs (children, tending to housework, cooking etc.). Men would be able to pay for mortgages, feed their families and support them financially while women would be in control the house, children and daily affairs needed to keep up. Today, both parents are expected to work 40 hour work weeks, that when combined often don't equal what wages used to be for a single person. Then expected to come home, take care of the children, cook, tend to their property. Big business not only pays less per household compared to 40 years ago, but they gained 40 hour more work power from women. It is a physically exhausting system. We now ignore our children. Home skills are rapidly declining, we hire outside help to tend to our house. We use programs such as door dash or pay for already prepped food more. Etc. Because we are too exhausted from big business demands.

Phew. Any of this tickle your fancy?
Communist claptrap
 
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