People are waking up!

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Liberty Bear, Oct 23, 2007.

  1. Liberty Bear

    Liberty Bear New but not Naive

    This and related forums struck me as such a contrast to the attitudes I encountered at work. Here, most people are against the new conract. At work, most people said it stinks, yet most also said they were voting for it, for one reason or another.

    Though I haven't taken any surveys, it seems like people's attitudes have been changing over the last few days. Today, nearly every person I talked to was angry about the contract.

    When I got off work, a woman representing MakeUPSDeliver was standing outside handing out pamphlets. Most of the people she greeted seemed to be on her side. I asked how the shop stewards treated her, and she said all but one were supportive, or at least civil.

    She and another guy liked my idea about acquiring T-shirts with political slogans. I made arrangements with a local store a few days ago to have some shirts printed. Now it looks like I'll one or more people to split the cost with me.

    On the negative side, there are still a lot of employees who aren't even aware of the contract issue. Hopefully, we can rectify that in the next few days.

  2. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    Why not vote by withdrawing from your local? I know at least one driver isn't a member of local 174.:laugh:
  3. Informed

    Informed 24 year driver

    My concern is many drivers will vote yes because the Teamsters told them to. They won't read the proposed contract and decide for themselves.
  4. Damok

    Damok Member

    The same can be said for followers of TDU/Makeupsdeliver. I would so much like for people to make decisions based on their own efforts and not be led around like sheep... no matter what side of the fence they fall on.
  5. Informed

    Informed 24 year driver

    I agree, unfortunately many are unable to decide for themselves, they won't take the initiative to step out of the crowd and stand alone. Whether you agree with TDU/Makeupsdeliver or not, at least they are putting doubt into the minds of drivers about the contract and hopefully this will motivate them to find out more.
  6. Damok

    Damok Member

    I would prefer they encourage discussion and discovery rather than instilling doubt. Instilling doubt seems encourage agreement with their side just as the Union encouraging members to vote the party line discourages individual decision making. Regardless of your feelings towards the union or it's detractors a person needs to be able to step back and make a decision with a neutral eye as much as that is possible.
  7. Informed

    Informed 24 year driver

    If all else fails, question everything.:thumbup1:
  8. crazygill

    crazygill New Member

    believe 10 % of what you hear and 100 % of what you see and read, and use what we all still have left. Which is our minds and common sense!!!!!!!
  9. speedbug

    speedbug Member

    Alot of good that will do , can you tell me how withdrawing from the union will help him > SCABS can not vote on the contract. Excellent advice. Ha Ha Ha. Do you mind me asking are you SCAB or UPWA?:blushing:
  10. gaboy2

    gaboy2 New Member

    That is what UPS is counting on!! This contract is the beginning of the end of a good job!! PLEASE VOTE NO!! we still have a year to negotiate a better deal!!!! UPS is making BILLIONS on our sore backs!
  11. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    He claims that his local isn't representing him. Put your dues where your mouth is. His local is not a Hoffa supporter, if all UPSers withdrew that local would be disolved.
  12. Liberty Bear

    Liberty Bear New but not Naive

    You seem to think that "followers of TDU/Makeupsdeliver" are lemmings. In fact, there's a striking lack of information and opinions on the Internet regarding this proposed contract. The corporate media are being led around by the UPS/Teamsters coalition like sheep, so who else do people turn to? would appear to be relatively unbiased, yet you seem unhappy with the fact that most people who frequent this forum are against the contract. It would appear that any time someone disagrees with you, you dismiss them as sheep. What a winning strategy.
  13. BrownShark

    BrownShark Banned

    All this rhetoric about "is it a good contract" or "is it a bad contract" have idiots on both sides of this issue and you have competent supporters on both sides.

    What this forum needs is to begin a thread for each article in dispute. Copy and paste an article in its entirety in a thread, let everyone read it, see how many different perspectives you get, challenge each other to understand what is proposed and then place a poll at the end of the thread to see how many people support that particular article.

    Stay away from wages and pension, this is NOT what is going to kill this contract overall.

    Otherwise, this forum is turning into a pissing contest between part time sups & former employees without a clue :aka Rocky Road and current employees who really dont understand contractual limitations.

    Turn this forum into a true blog and debate whats real and leave out the BS.

    As long as sups are posting BS on these threads, no real conclusions will be discovered.

  14. hunchback

    hunchback New Member

    I agree with Brownshark. Pull out the major changes and issues, start a thread for debate and poll the viewers.

    I had wondered about Rocky myself. What stake in all of this does he have? He claims to have moved on to greener pastures but I think he still has one foot stuck in the brown life.
  15. cheryl

    cheryl I started this. Staff Member

    Sorry my friend, on this forum no one get's to declare who is in the right situation to have a valid opinion who isn't. Please be respectful to all of our members.

    From the TOS: It is fine to disagree with a different viewpoint, but please limit this to challenging the idea and not make your comments a personal challenge or make derogatory personal comments about individuals, their ideas or their situation. The latter is considered to be a flame and will not be tolerated.
  16. satellitedriver

    satellitedriver Moderator

    This is a forum, not a blog.
    All people that work for, or have worked for UPS are welcome.
    This includes management, part-timers, full timers, union workers and scabs.
    There is no conclusion that can be discovered, when you try and restrict a discussion between all concerned.
    What you need to do is create a website/forum/blog, to address each article on it's merit.
    You say, to stay away from pension discussion on voting this contract.
    The pension is the main concern stated by teamsters and UPS surveys to get a bargain between both company and union.
    This blitzkreig (upon BrownCafe) is tiresome, but endurable.
  17. agitator

    agitator Member

    Tell me why Hoffa sending the contract out right away...."by Oct 26"...THATS THIS FRIDAY!!...hmmmm... MAYBE HE WANTS UNINFORMED MEMBERS WHO HAVENT LOOKED AT THE FACTS TO GET THE CONTRACT IN THE MAIL AND VOTE FOR THIS THING!!...he wants to head off a strong and growing VOTE NO CAMPAIGN... that's democracy?????...No thats stalinism!
  18. Damok

    Damok Member

    There are people on both sides who are sheep... once again if you actually read what I post you would understand my position.

    Again, the way you put "words" in my mouth is amusing :)

    I also notice you never answered my question - What group or organization that has interest in this contract are you affiliated with? Aside from being a UPS employee of course.
  19. diesel96

    diesel96 New Member

    Hey Agitator...Being the all out socialist that you blog to be, why don't you call on the Gov't to stop the mailing and voting process?
  20. 1timepu

    1timepu Member

    My Advice to everybody is goto the Teamster website and donlaod the contract, look at it yourself, read every article andyou Decide for your self, not Liberty Bear or Agitator, I myself have read it over and over and am voting yes, I do not feel that turning this down is worth putting our pension at risk Jan 1st.