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bbsam

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Well yeah, in my opinion we are born with socialist tendencies and leanings.

Like when I was around 6 years old I had the same political beliefs as Ocasio Cortez, why don’t we just give all the homeless people a home so they aren’t homeless.

Then you grow up and pay taxes, learn some history and find out the government is hardly ever the good guy.
The government isn’t the good guy and yet all these Americans grow up, pay taxes, learn some history and bad mouth the government on their way to cashing a socialist check.
 

El Correcto

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The government isn’t the good guy and yet all these Americans grow up, pay taxes, learn some history and bad mouth the government on their way to cashing a socialist check.
Instead of calling it socialist check, you should call it an influence check. Politicians promise you other people’s money if you vote for them or they promise to not take your money. I tend to go for the ones promising not to steal right out the gate.
 

vantexan

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Instead of calling it socialist check, you should call it an influence check. Politicians promise you other people’s money if you vote for them or they promise to not take your money. I tend to go for the ones promising not to steal right out the gate.
People don't vote to keep those in power who'll guarantee a social security check. It's a done deal already. They will vote out of power anyone who will try to end it. And it is social insurance, not redistribution, the hallmark of socialism.
 

Jones

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People don't vote to keep those in power who'll guarantee a social security check. It's a done deal already. They will vote out of power anyone who will try to end it. And it is social insurance, not redistribution, the hallmark of socialism.
You're really bending yourself into a pretzel trying to defend socialism when it benefits you directly.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
People don't vote to keep those in power who'll guarantee a social security check. It's a done deal already. They will vote out of power anyone who will try to end it. And it is social insurance, not redistribution, the hallmark of socialism.
I was referring to other proposed socialist programs, socialist security is socialism. You aren’t getting money you paid into a system like a 401k, you are collecting the money I’m currently paying into it.

You are literally parroting FDR propaganda a century later
 

vantexan

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I was referring to other proposed socialist programs, socialist security is socialism. You aren’t getting money you paid into a system like a 401k, you are collecting the money I’m currently paying into it.

You are literally parroting FDR propaganda a century later
Just as I and everyone else paid into it. You don't see the benefit because of your age. If the government said we are going to take from those who produce and give to those who don't, with across the board equality being the goal, that would be socialism. If you spread the risk of being destitute in your senior years across the entire working population that's social insurance. The biggest critics of it are business owners who want to keep the matching funds for themselves. Same people who push employees to work with few raises and few if any benefits. A business owner doesn't have to guarantee a great living, but if you help him have a better life the least he can do is assist your retirement.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Just as I and everyone else paid into it. You don't see the benefit because of your age. If the government said we are going to take from those who produce and give to those who don't, with across the board equality being the goal, that would be socialism. If you spread the risk of being destitute in your senior years across the entire working population that's social insurance. The biggest critics of it are business owners who want to keep the matching funds for themselves. Same people who push employees to work with few raises and few if any benefits. A business owner doesn't have to guarantee a great living, but if you help him have a better life the least he can do is assist your retirement.
They are taking from me I provide labor for cash and giving it to you who no longer even lives in the country and produces nothing but hypocritical dribble.

It’s fun to watch you try to play semantics to defend your socialist allowance the government steals from me.
 

vantexan

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They are taking from me I provide labor for cash and giving it to you who no longer even lives in the country and produces nothing but hypocritical dribble.

It’s fun to watch you try to play semantics to defend your socialist allowance the government steals from me.
Those aren't my words, but rather very authoritative writings by experts. And the beauty of a free country is we can live where we want. You do know that people living here on green cards and pay SS taxes receive a check too if they put in enough time? And they very often go back to their home country with that benefit. And really, the amount taken out shouldn't prevent you from investing the rest of your money.
 
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