Raise in new contract

[Satuirus2000]

A lot of the rail workers did eventually get granted sick days.

Most unionized US rail workers now have new sick leave

More than 60% of U.S. unionized railroad workers at major railroads are now are covered by new sick leave agreements, a trade group said Monday.

www.reuters.com

US rail companies grant paid sick days after public pressure in win for unions

Leading railroads give four paid sick days after years in which workers weren’t allowed to call in sick the morning of their shift

www.theguardian.com

And ironically enough the union thanked the Biden administration for quietly pushing behind the scenes to make it happen and get those sick days so I don't know why people keep acting like the administration was trying to screw them over.

In any case this is good news for anybody who thinks the government is going to step in and screw us over if there was a strike. UPS management can't hope the gov. is going to "save" them by forcing teamsters back to work. Even if they could, the damage will have already been done, and entirely of UPS management's own making.

 

[Trucker Clock]

And after our contract is settled, I bet we still don't have paid sick days.

You had paid sick days. They were negotiated, and approved by the membership, to be converted to vacation days.

The aforementioned railroads never had these paid sick days that they bargained away In the past.

 

[BlackCat]

True, but without shareholders, there would be no Company and we wouldn't have a job. Without you, the Company can survive. You can be replaced. Without the shareholders, there is no Company. It's a symbiotic relationship, but the Company comes first. We are a close second. If the Company doesn't make money, they go out of business and we don't have a job.

1. Someone starts a company
2. Said Company hires employees.

That’s not true..

We seemed to have a company just fine without having shareholders.

 

[Trucker Clock]

That’s not true..

We seemed to have a company just fine without having shareholders.

25 years ago. And there was no competition. We were all there was besides the post office which didn’t deliver many packages.

Without going public and getting the capital to expand, how do you know they would even be in business today.

FedEx ground didn’t exist yet, or was just getting started. The Amazon we now know did not exist. All these regional deliver companies didn’t exist.

 

[BlackCat]

25 years ago. And there was no competition. We were all there was besides the post office which didn’t deliver many packages.

Without going public and getting the capital to expand, how do you know they would even be in business today.

FedEx ground didn’t exist yet, or was just getting started. The Amazon we now know did not exist. All these regional deliver companies didn’t exist.

You can move the goalposts as you wish.

I was merely pointing to the fact that you were making a declaration that wasn’t factually correct.

 

[UnionStrong]

25 years ago. And there was no competition. We were all there was besides the post office which didn’t deliver many packages.

Without going public and getting the capital to expand, how do you know they would even be in business today.

FedEx ground didn’t exist yet, or was just getting started. The Amazon we now know did not exist. All these regional deliver companies didn’t exist.

It was RPS, and it was around a few years after I starting in 90’. I believe you are right, UPS saw the handwriting on the wall and decided it had to expand or lose significant market share over time.

 

[BrownFlush]

I'm out of the game. Retired UPS since 2009.
The strike turned the scab labor mentality of FedX on.
When stock went public, it changed the rules, management, and UPS forever.
70% of my route was Amazon when I quit. I was out in the sticks.

FedX and Amazon both have major labor problems. I see both getting worse. Neither can come close to UPS when it comes to moving a package. While a lower cost is appealing to a company, after time dealing with poor service, unprofessionals, and drivers who look and act like felons, the business lost for a while always came back.
If you don't get a good contract, vote no. Don't let the same old blow fool you.

 

[Trucker Clock]

It was RPS, and it was around a few years after I starting in 90’. I believe you are right, UPS saw the handwriting on the wall and decided it had to expand or lose significant market share over time.

RPS was not competition. Started by Roadway. They sucked worse than the post office. But, when FedEx bought them, the writing was on the wall.

 

[BrownFlush]

It was RPS, and it was around a few years after I starting in 90’. I believe you are right, UPS saw the handwriting on the wall and decided it had to expand or lose significant market share over time.

RPS lost millions the year Freddy bought em.
They did the same thing Roadway did, except use scab labor.

 

[Trucker Clock]

You can move the goalposts as you wish.

Didn't move them. The shareholders own the Company. Without the owners, there is no Company.

 

[I have NOT been lurking]

I'm out of the game. Retired UPS since 2009.
The strike turned the scab labor mentality of FedX on.
When stock went public, it changed the rules, management, and UPS forever.
70% of my route was Amazon when I quit. I was out in the sticks.

FedX and Amazon both have major labor problems. I see both getting worse. Neither can come close to UPS when it comes to moving a package. While a lower cost is appealing to a company, after time dealing with poor service, unprofessionals, and drivers who look and act like felons, the business lost for a while always came back.
If you don't get a good contract, vote no. Don't let the same old blow fool you.

Watching Bonehead Truckers, UPS only appeared as morons who blocked fuel aisles. FedEx and Amazon keep crashing or dive into ditches

 

[UnionStrong]

RPS was not competition. Started by Roadway. They sucked worse than the post office. But, when FedEx bought them, the writing was on the wall.

I know.

 

[pkgdriver]

It was RPS, and it was around a few years after I starting in 90’. I believe you are right, UPS saw the handwriting on the wall and decided it had to expand or lose significant market share over time.

RPS was started in Pittsburgh in 1985. I didnt see them much in 86 when I started. They had tracking, Consignee Billing and a few other things UPS did not. Growth came fast. There were a few regional carriers but nothing like today. They didnt last long either.