religion

[Integrity]

Hell is an expression of love.... I think we have a winner.

We have a winner!!!

I believe it would depend on how it was used.

Black and white thinking is a cognitive distortion.

 

[vantexan]

I believe Paul did and said things that he didn’t really want to do and say. I also believe He probably didn’t do and say things that he really wanted to do and say.

What kind of gobbledygook is that?

 

[BrownFlush]

We have a winner!!!

I believe it would depend on how it was used.

Black and white thinking is a cognitive distortion.

Care to read it to see how that might be?

Cognitive distortion....You are a nut job.

 

[Integrity]

Care to read it to see how that might be?

Cognitive distortion....You are a nut job.

Sure.

To live is Christ to die is gain.

 

[BrownFlush]

To live is Christ to die is gain.

To not to die is Hell

 

[BrownFlush]

 

[Integrity]

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If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. John 8:36 NIV84

 

[vantexan]

If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. John 8:36 NIV84

Still waiting for Bible verses that you deem unacceptable to God.

 

[Integrity]

Still waiting for Bible verses that you deem unacceptable to God

Never said that. Can’t help you. Look at my quotes, I can‘t help you if you don’t address what I actually say my brother.

 

[vantexan]

Wherever statements or viewpoints in the Bible communicate lack of love or are contrary to Jesus’s example then it is my belief that they are not of God, but of man’s religion. I never denied that the writers of the Bible were inspired by by God to write about God.

This is what you said. So what verses do you feel "are not of God, but of man's religion" in the New Testament?

 

[Integrity]

This is what you said. So what verses do you feel "are not of God, but of man's religion" in the New Testament?

I believe Paul did and said things in the Bible that he didn’t really want to do and say. I also believe He probably didn’t do and say things in the Bible that he really wanted to do and say.

 

[vantexan]

I believe Paul did and said things in the Bible that he didn’t really want to do and say. I also believe He probably didn’t do and say things in the Bible that he really wanted to do and say.

That's nonsensical. Let's see.the verses? You've already.told us.if it's good enough for God it's good enough for you. Yet here you are saying some things Paul wrote aren't acceptable. Paul was Christ's chosen apostle. He was guided by the Holy Spirit and in at least one instance he gave his opinion and said that was just his opinion. But Paul made it very clear what actions we take in life that can cause us to lose our souls to eternal punishment. Is that what you disagree with? If so what gives you the authority to reject the Apostle of Christ's writing? "He was just a man" applies to you also. Why should we accept your view over his teaching?

 

[Thebrownblob]

That's nonsensical. Let's see.the verses? You've already.told us.if it's good enough for God it's good enough for you. Yet here you are saying some things Paul wrote aren't acceptable. Paul was Christ's chosen apostle. He was guided by the Holy Spirit and in at least one instance he gave his opinion and said that was just his opinion. But Paul made it very clear what actions we take in life that can cause us to lose our souls to eternal punishment. Is that what you disagree with? If so what gives you the authority to reject the Apostle of Christ's writing? "He was just a man" applies to you also. Why should we accept your view over his teaching?

Paul gave lots of instructions and helped a lot of churches figure out how to deal with issues. I’m gonna guess he doesn’t like Paul’s instructions. He has hinted in other areas that he’s not a huge fan of Paul.

 

[Integrity]

That's nonsensical. Let's see.the verses? You've already.told us.if it's good enough for God it's good enough for you. Yet here you are saying some things Paul wrote aren't acceptable. Paul was Christ's chosen apostle. He was guided by the Holy Spirit and in at least one instance he gave his opinion and said that was just his opinion. But Paul made it very clear what actions we take in life that can cause us to lose our souls to eternal punishment. Is that what you disagree with? If so what gives you the authority to reject the Apostle of Christ's writing? "He was just a man" applies to you also. Why should we accept your view over his teaching?

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I have to ponder whether continuing this is a good choice.

I am only a vessel, partaking of His divinity and His power, as my Father enables through Christ my Lord, by the power of the Holy Spirit.

I only share what I believe, I believe in freedom of conscience in all matters pertaining to God. I believe you should follow your own beliefs as God has revealed them to you. Even if I hold beliefs that may differ from yours, my brother.

God will reveal exactly what He chooses at exactly the moment He chooses.

 

[Integrity]

Paul gave lots of instructions and helped a lot of churches figure out how to deal with issues. I’m gonna guess he doesn’t like Paul’s instructions. He has hinted in other areas that he’s not a huge fan of Paul.

You misunderstood that my friend, I am as you put it a huge fan of Paul, I can really relate to His desire for Christ alone, his honesty and transparency particularly with regards to his imperfections and his struggles.

 

[Thebrownblob]

You misunderstood that my friend, I am as you put it a huge fan of Paul, I can really relate to His desire for Christ alone, his honesty and transparency particularly with regards to his imperfections and his struggles.

Well, that’s what you say, but I don’t really think you feel that way. Paul gave a lot of stern warnings that definitely go against everything you say the Holy Spirit tells you.
Are these some of the things Paul did didn’t want to say?

Galatians 1

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[Integrity]

Well, that’s what you say, but I don’t really think you feel that way. Paul gave a lot of stern warnings that definitely go against everything you say the Holy Spirit tells you.
Are these some of the things Paul did didn’t want to say?

Galatians 1

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

In conversation do you make it a habit of thinking the way others feel. Seems odd but ok. Definitely not part of my spiritual program.

Everything I say? That’s debatable, but feel free to think I feel differently than what I am saying.

Do you see lack of love in the verses that you posted?

 

[Thebrownblob]

In conversation do you make it a habit of thinking the way others feel. Seems odd but ok. Definitely not part of my spiritual program.

Everything I say? That’s debatable, but feel free to think I feel differently than what I am saying.

Do you see lack of love in the verses that you posted?

I don’t even know what you’re talking about.

And no, I don’t see the lack of love. I see Paul giving directions to people.

False teachings would lead to damnation and being accursed.

I do see someone telling others they can do as they, please as the opposite of love.

That’s actually what Satan does. And he has fooled many people into believing that is OK. They are actually working for him and don’t know it.
He is the great deceiver.

 

[vantexan]

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I have to ponder whether continuing this is a good choice.

I am only a vessel, partaking of His divinity and His power, as my Father enables through Christ my Lord, by the power of the Holy Spirit.

I only share what I believe, I believe in freedom of conscience in all matters pertaining to God. I believe you should follow your own beliefs as God has revealed them to you. Even if I hold beliefs that may differ from yours, my brother.

God will reveal exactly what He chooses at exactly the moment He chooses.

No, God has given us a guide and we aren't free to reject any of it. You said the Apostle Paul wrote things that you don't believe reflect the teachings and love of Jesus. Yet Jesus chose him and no other apostle was as great an influence on the early Church. So what did he write that you disagree with? By whose authority do you reject those verses?

 

[Thebrownblob]

No, God has given us a guide and we aren't free to reject any of it. You said the Apostle Paul wrote things that you don't believe reflect the teachings and love of Jesus. Yet Jesus chose him and no other apostle was as great an influence on the early Church. So what did he write that you disagree with? By whose authority do you reject those verses?

Well, Jesus messed up! @Integrity has a direct connection to the Holy Spirit told him that.

So we can just ignore Paul. He’s a grouchy old guy who used to kill Jews anyway.