Retiring with APWA

[nospinzone]

Krash,
You've raised lots of good questions. I've attempted to give you my general understanding of your initial questions, but I cannot provide the detail you request and if I could, there is not enough space here to adequately answer your questions sufficiently. I am not an officer in the APWA. If these questions are truely that important to you, I suggest that you spend an hour on the phone with one of the officers. Send me a message and I'll give you their numbers. Thanks for asking the hard questions.

 

[krash]

Krash,
You've raised lots of good questions. I've attempted to give you my general understanding of your initial questions, but I cannot provide the detail you request and if I could, there is not enough space here to adequately answer your questions sufficiently. I am not an officer in the APWA. If these questions are truely that important to you, I suggest that you spend an hour on the phone with one of the officers. Send me a message and I'll give you their numbers. Thanks for asking the hard questions.

That's what I'm here for bro
An although we've butted heads more times that I can count on both feet, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

 

[krash]

Originally Posted by nospinzone
In reply to a list of questions that Krash posted recently.... The following is my understanding after attending meetings and listening to discussions with the APWA.

What can we expect with 5 years? 10 years? 15 years? 20 years? 25 years?
These benefits are clearly defined on the APWA website. And for employees who have reached benefit milestones with IBT, the APWA benefits would be in addition to the IBT pension check.
~So it will be set up like those with PT and FT years??

Can we retire at any age?
Please see the APWA website
~These figures are projections from the total amount UPS contributes to our health and welfare correct. So APWA will seek to have UPS continue to contribute that amount then turnaround and cover our health separately? Will UPS also be responsible for the insurance after retiring? How was such a figure calculated and what was the "low" end that they projected. As you pointed out about others, nothing is guaranteed. So we could very well end up with very little, correct.

Is our retirement guaranteed?
--are the Central States benefits guaranteed? Are the machinist pensions guaranteed? With prudent management these benefits can be achieved. And with mismanagement you get CS. APWA has financial transparency written into its charter so that members are aware of how their money is being managed and can make changes using the open election process when needed.
~Uh, you didn't answer. I didn't ask about CS, the machinist or what the special of the day was at the Chinese restaurant. The answer is NO. Now how will voting for new managers every time it deeps change things? Who will pay for the elections? Who will be eligible to vote? If it dips below the required amount to cover the payouts, then what? We vote again or adjust the payouts? Change the age requirement, etc. Correct?

What about insurance?
Please review the APWA Health Insurance Goals
~The idea was to let UPS take that over? So the described "projections" for health care will be outlined in the contract so UPS cannot change until the contract expires? Or does APWA have a provider lined up and how much more will it take to cover the benefits since the current amount will go solely to the retirement?

What about dissability?
No changes will be made to dissability pay except in the event of a career ending health event. The APWA pension will have a calamity fund which is maintained by taking 1% from each person’s contributions. Should you become unable to work, this calamity fund would guarantee you a pension.
~Gurantee?

Pay?
FT continue the same rate; APWA will seek to increased part-time pay to $15/hr
~I really feel that the PTers are not getting there fare shake when it comes to wages and wish we would stand togeather to change this. But shouldn't they expect the same rate of pay for doing the same work as a FTer? If this was to happen I believe UPS would convert all PT job's to FT where possible instead of providing benefits for 2 when it could be 1. But anything is better than what they start off at now.

Raises?
Elevate pay raise standards nationally to meet the higher standards that people in select parts of the country enjoy due to the supplementals.
~Where do they receive a different raise schedule? The Chicago hub?

Vacation time?
Maintain/increase everyone to standards of highest plan/local agreement
~Please elaborate

Sick time?
Increase everyone to same standards nationally.
Example: Edison NJ only has 2 sick days as opposed to 5 days in other parts of country. And Edison people have to schedule their sick days. They should enjoy the same sick pay benefits that people on the other side of the country enjoy.
~Correct. But ours is 7 days to do as we will, correct? You are referring to the Option week, right? It would be nice to see that moved up to 10 days.

Grievance procedure?
Shop steward informally approaches company, if no resolution then he/she files grievance which is barcoded. Individual members will also have the option to go online and file an e-grievance. Grievance filing time is stamped. The local BA has 30 days to resolve the grievance. If not resolved within 30 days, the grievance goes to the regional manager who is now responsible for resolving it. If 60 days after filing it is still not settled, the grievance goes to the national office and to the desk of one of the VP's.
~Our local is working on something rather similar(barcodes). So there is'nt much difference in the process. You still have levels for them to pass through. What happens when the VP cannot resolve?

Cardinal sins?
Are we speaking about cardinal sins with the company or with the union? Please be more specific.
~The contract

Seniority rights?
No changes.
~Each supplement is different. Which one do you plan on going by? I assume since you want everything else unified, then what "seniority" policy will we use?

Subcontractors?
Outside of the holiday rush (thanksgiving to Christmas) No tolerance. Period. The erosion in the contract that the IBT has allowed is costing people jobs across the country. Jacksonville, fl is using contractors year round and they even have their own building there!
~Where, I didn't see them there. Do you mean there own office? Also, I what about drop shippers and the Rail? Do yall seek to eliminate that and is that what you where referring to taken place at JAKFL?

New technology?
DIAD will not be substantial grounds for dismissal.
~OK
More training is needed for mechanics to diagnose complicated computer systems on trucks;
~What?

Big Brother?
See DIAD as discussed above. Otherwise list your specific concerns.
~There attempts watch every move we make with the "black box" they are installing in pkg cars

Strike benefits?
Will exceed the $55/week that the Teamsters had to borrow from the AFL-CIO in the last strike. The five year plan is to shut down operations for a significant amount of time by continuing to pay members a full 40hr pay week.
~Please elaborate. Shut down what operations and where will the funds come from. Thats a hefty amount to cover for every employee at UPS. They have what, 200K+ employees?

Will yall try and organize FedEx?
NO….APWA will represent UPS only or no one. The charter restricts representation of any companies other than UPS.
~Wouldn't that benefit us in the long run? Why stop at UPS. If yall could deliver on what you've posted, they would beg us for representation.

How much money do I need to give to be regional manager?
Contributing the time and energy is much more valuable than contributing financially. A regional manager has to have 10years with UPS. Second he has to be nominated by employees. Third he has to win the election. Within 5 years, all regional manager positions will be up for direct election by their employers--- aka…the membership! And the oversight set up by the APWA charter will avoid and/or directly punish with swift and strong action such improprieties that the Teamsters continually struggle with in their leadership.
~How will it be swift? Who will oversee and investigate? What will APWA be from the " continual struggles"? Will these "managers" and other "officials" receive and income? What are these "charter" members entitled to?

Can someone trump me?
Only in a good card game of Spades. However, if the membership does not approve of your performance as a card player or officer, they can vote you out and replace you.
~Please elaborate. How much of the membership would it take to get a vote? How many officers will they be? How many BA's? etc.

How much money is UPS donating?
$0 This would be an NLRB violation. Please provide any substantial information you have that UPS is donating and I will fill out the NLRB charges for you.

 

[krash]

Originally Posted by nospinzone
In reply to a list of questions that Krash posted recently.... The following is my understanding after attending meetings and listening to discussions with the APWA.

What can we expect with 5 years? 10 years? 15 years? 20 years? 25 years?
These benefits are clearly defined on the APWA website. And for employees who have reached benefit milestones with IBT, the APWA benefits would be in addition to the IBT pension check.
~So it will be set up like those with PT and FT years??

Can we retire at any age?
Please see the APWA website
~These figures are projections from the total amount UPS contributes to our health and welfare correct. So APWA will seek to have UPS continue to contribute that amount then turnaround and cover our health separately? Will UPS also be responsible for the insurance after retiring? How was such a figure calculated and what was the "low" end that they projected. As you pointed out about others, nothing is guaranteed. So we could very well end up with very little, correct.

Is our retirement guaranteed?
--are the Central States benefits guaranteed? Are the machinist pensions guaranteed? With prudent management these benefits can be achieved. And with mismanagement you get CS. APWA has financial transparency written into its charter so that members are aware of how their money is being managed and can make changes using the open election process when needed.
~Uh, you didn't answer. I didn't ask about CS, the machinist or what the special of the day was at the Chinese restaurant. The answer is NO. Now how will voting for new managers every time it deeps change things? Who will pay for the elections? Who will be eligible to vote? If it dips below the required amount to cover the payouts, then what? We vote again or adjust the payouts? Change the age requirement, etc. Correct?

What about insurance?
Please review the APWA Health Insurance Goals
~The idea was to let UPS take that over? So the described "projections" for health care will be outlined in the contract so UPS cannot change until the contract expires? Or does APWA have a provider lined up and how much more will it take to cover the benefits since the current amount will go solely to the retirement?

What about dissability?
No changes will be made to dissability pay except in the event of a career ending health event. The APWA pension will have a calamity fund which is maintained by taking 1% from each person’s contributions. Should you become unable to work, this calamity fund would guarantee you a pension.
~Gurantee?

Pay?
FT continue the same rate; APWA will seek to increased part-time pay to $15/hr
~I really feel that the PTers are not getting there fare shake when it comes to wages and wish we would stand togeather to change this. But shouldn't they expect the same rate of pay for doing the same work as a FTer? If this was to happen I believe UPS would convert all PT job's to FT where possible instead of providing benefits for 2 when it could be 1. But anything is better than what they start off at now.

Raises?
Elevate pay raise standards nationally to meet the higher standards that people in select parts of the country enjoy due to the supplementals.
~Where do they receive a different raise schedule? The Chicago hub?

Vacation time?
Maintain/increase everyone to standards of highest plan/local agreement
~Please elaborate

Sick time?
Increase everyone to same standards nationally.
Example: Edison NJ only has 2 sick days as opposed to 5 days in other parts of country. And Edison people have to schedule their sick days. They should enjoy the same sick pay benefits that people on the other side of the country enjoy.
~Correct. But ours is 7 days to do as we will, correct? You are referring to the Option week, right? It would be nice to see that moved up to 10 days.

Grievance procedure?
Shop steward informally approaches company, if no resolution then he/she files grievance which is barcoded. Individual members will also have the option to go online and file an e-grievance. Grievance filing time is stamped. The local BA has 30 days to resolve the grievance. If not resolved within 30 days, the grievance goes to the regional manager who is now responsible for resolving it. If 60 days after filing it is still not settled, the grievance goes to the national office and to the desk of one of the VP's.
~Our local is working on something rather similar(barcodes). So there is'nt much difference in the process. You still have levels for them to pass through. What happens when the VP cannot resolve?

Cardinal sins?
Are we speaking about cardinal sins with the company or with the union? Please be more specific.
~The contract

Seniority rights?
No changes.
~Each supplement is different. Which one do you plan on going by? I assume since you want everything else unified, then what "seniority" policy will we use?

Subcontractors?
Outside of the holiday rush (thanksgiving to Christmas) No tolerance. Period. The erosion in the contract that the IBT has allowed is costing people jobs across the country. Jacksonville, fl is using contractors year round and they even have their own building there!
~Where, I didn't see them there. Do you mean there own office? Also, I what about drop shippers and the Rail? Do yall seek to eliminate that and is that what you where referring to taken place at JAKFL?

New technology?
DIAD will not be substantial grounds for dismissal.
~OK
More training is needed for mechanics to diagnose complicated computer systems on trucks;
~What?

Big Brother?
See DIAD as discussed above. Otherwise list your specific concerns.
~There attempts watch every move we make with the "black box" they are installing in pkg cars

Strike benefits?
Will exceed the $55/week that the Teamsters had to borrow from the AFL-CIO in the last strike. The five year plan is to shut down operations for a significant amount of time by continuing to pay members a full 40hr pay week.
~Please elaborate. Shut down what operations and where will the funds come from. Thats a hefty amount to cover for every employee at UPS. They have what, 200K+ employees?

Will yall try and organize FedEx?
NO….APWA will represent UPS only or no one. The charter restricts representation of any companies other than UPS.
~Wouldn't that benefit us in the long run? Why stop at UPS. If yall could deliver on what you've posted, they would beg us for representation.

How much money do I need to give to be regional manager?
Contributing the time and energy is much more valuable than contributing financially. A regional manager has to have 10years with UPS. Second he has to be nominated by employees. Third he has to win the election. Within 5 years, all regional manager positions will be up for direct election by their employers--- aka…the membership! And the oversight set up by the APWA charter will avoid and/or directly punish with swift and strong action such improprieties that the Teamsters continually struggle with in their leadership.
~How will it be swift? Who will oversee and investigate? What will APWA be from the " continual struggles"? Will these "managers" and other "officials" receive and income? What are these "charter" members entitled to?

Can someone trump me?
Only in a good card game of Spades. However, if the membership does not approve of your performance as a card player or officer, they can vote you out and replace you.
~Please elaborate. How much of the membership would it take to get a vote? How many officers will they be? How many BA's? etc.

How much money is UPS donating?
$0 This would be an NLRB violation. Please provide any substantial information you have that UPS is donating and I will fill out the NLRB charges for you.

?????

 

[Bill]

E79 iwasnt even alive when most of that happened or in diapers. What exactly was your point here?

The point is that the Corruption is still going on within the Teamsters and if you tell me otherwise, then you really are naive.

 

[sawdusttv]

Krash,

Those are all great and reasonable questions. I sure wish that you could see fit to attend an APWA meeting and confront them with these very questions. If it is alright with you I think that I will copy down the questions that you ask here and email Van Skillman about them. If and when I get a reply, I will post them for all to read.

 

[nospinzone]

Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. All of your questions address valid points, but for me to attempt to reply would require writing a small book. I would suggest you call and talk personally with van or danny. They would be happy to answer all of your questions. Or you can see what response sawdust gets.

 

[brett636]

Krash,

Those are all great and reasonable questions. I sure wish that you could see fit to attend an APWA meeting and confront them with these very questions. If it is alright with you I think that I will copy down the questions that you ask here and email Van Skillman about them. If and when I get a reply, I will post them for all to read.

Haha! Goodluck! From what I gather from others on this board those questions have already been asked directly to Van and danny, and you are either ignored by e-mail, or thrown out of their meetings. Seems to me they really don't want to answer the hard questions.

 

[wildgoose]

Haha! Goodluck! From what I gather from others on this board those questions have already been asked directly to Van and danny, and you are either ignored by e-mail, or thrown out of their meetings. Seems to me they really don't want to answer the hard questions.

Brett636 why would anyone be thrown out of a meeting with Danny and Van ? Hmmmmm for being obnoxious or downright indignient ( not sure of the spelling ) If someone cannot control their emotions or just trying to disrupt the meeting. Sounds like a teamster hall meeting anyhow

 

[local776]

you ask the same questions on every thread get answers and go start a new thread and repeat and repeat and repeat, no one can answer all your questions with your deaf ears and blinded eyes. all those questions BUG put on have been answered in the meetings I have attended. I have been to meetings in Lexington, Ky 2 times, 2 times to Knoxville, Tn and several in Ohio, every time these type questions were answered if you are an hourly UPS employee you are welcome to attend and ask your questions, then you will get the answers.

must have alot of time to travel. dont ask to many question with their own maretil from their web site YOU WILL BE CALLED A LIAR

 

[brett636]

Brett636 why would anyone be thrown out of a meeting with Danny and Van ? Hmmmmm for being obnoxious or downright indignient ( not sure of the spelling ) If someone cannot control their emotions or just trying to disrupt the meeting. Sounds like a teamster hall meeting anyhow

I guess if casually asking questions dan and van don't want to answer is a disruption to their meeting then we have a lot to worry about if the APWA ever gets off the ground.

 

[30andout]

I guess if casually asking questions dan and van don't want to answer is a disruption to their meeting then we have a lot to worry about if the APWA ever gets off the ground.

Did this happen to YOU??? What meeting did you attend???

 

[705red]

Brett636 why would anyone be thrown out of a meeting with Danny and Van ? Hmmmmm for being obnoxious or downright indignient ( not sure of the spelling ) If someone cannot control their emotions or just trying to disrupt the meeting. Sounds like a teamster hall meeting anyhow

If they cant handle questions from us the members they are seekibg to represent, how can we trust them to enforce the contract and god help us all even negioate a contract for us? If they ever come to chicago i promise you i will be there to ask them! Let me know if theres a meeting within a couple hour drive of chicago and i will drive there. Mittam ohio is only about 5 to 6 hours i will even go to the meeting with you so no one can say that these questions have never been asked.

 

[sawdusttv]

If they cant handle questions from us the members they are seekibg to represent, how can we trust them to enforce the contract and god help us all even negioate a contract for us? If they ever come to chicago i promise you i will be there to ask them! Let me know if theres a meeting within a couple hour drive of chicago and i will drive there. Mittam ohio is only about 5 to 6 hours i will even go to the meeting with you so no one can say that these questions have never been asked.

Red,

I would really like for you to be able to attend an APWA meeting, because you have some really good straight forward questions. If you get that chance, and you ask these questions in a very straight forward civilized manner, they would not dare throw you out for fear of the backlash. Because I for one would be on them like ducks on a junebug if they through you out for asking questions in a professional manner, and that my friend is my promise to you.

 

[krash]

Haha! Goodluck! From what I gather from others on this board those questions have already been asked directly to Van and danny, and you are either ignored by e-mail, or thrown out of their meetings. Seems to me they really don't want to answer the hard questions.

Sounds like what happened in ATL

 

[1989]

Why would anyone want to be represented by Ronald Mcdonald and Jack? (Jack in the box)

 

[sawdusttv]

Why would anyone want to be represented by Ronald Mcdonald and Jack? (Jack in the box)

Because anyone would be better than Bozo the clown (Hoffa) and Jack! (jack Ciprioni, Hoffa's VP, better known as Sliprioni)

 

[Cole]

Anyone that has been to TDU meetings more than likely has seen the disruptive tactics by some, and after a while it becomes easy to recognize when someone has an agenda to disrupt rather than true fact finding questions etc... Usually you get what you give.