iruhnman630
Well-Known Member
OK, I'll admit...I have no clue what TDU is.
Please fill me in.
Please fill me in.
Go to the IBT website, then go to the UPS negotiation page on the cover roll #4 and you'll find the contracts you claim the IBT doesn't post. TDU is not a reform movement "in the union". TDU is not run by Teamsters, but rather by people who claim interest in the Teamsters.Teamsters for a Democratic Union. Its a reform movement in the union. Ron Carey won the Presidency as their candidate and struck UPS in 1997. They do have a website that does post the National and Supplemental contracts, something the IBT should do.
OK, I'll admit...I have no clue what TDU is.
Please fill me in.
I beg to differ.Go to the IBT website, then go to the UPS negotiation page on the cover roll #4 and you'll find the contracts you claim the IBT doesn't post. TDU is not a reform movement "in the union". TDU is not run by Teamsters, but rather by people who claim interest in the Teamsters.
Whatever. It's 7:13 TDU still sucksI beg to differ.
TDU members are as much "in the union" as non-TDU members. The union is its members.
Oh expect this kind of rhetoric for a while from me because of their latest little stunt they pissed on OUR great union and tried to undermine my boy hall hard work. Shame on TDUWhatever. It's 7:13 TDU still sucks
\]Go to the IBT website, then go to the UPS negotiation page on the cover roll #4 and you'll find the contracts you claim the IBT doesn't post.
What stunt? Posting the phone number for the conference call? Then you obviously think browncafe sucks. Becuase there are tons of posts about what was said on that conference call here on browncafe. Can't management come on here an read everything that hall said? Wasn't it suppose to be a secret?Oh expect this kind of rhetoric for a while from me because of their latest little stunt they pissed on OUR great union and tried to undermine my boy hall hard work. Shame on TDU
Real, there were many stewards that could not get on the last second to last call due to the posting of the phone number. It was a "stewards" call. There are a limited number of lines available for these calls. As far as the information, our negotiations are not a place for speculation. People keep complaining that they want to know where we are in the negotiations. But understand their are 2 phases of negotiations, general conception and legality of wording. The first is done by our union and the company, the latter is done by labor lawyers (on both sides). One word can change the dynamics of an article. You say thank god for TDU and BC? You do realize your getting 100% speculation from those sources. It's only until we have a tentative agreement in place where you can have truth in negotiations. People complain about our dues, salaries of union executives and such, UPS has deeeeeeep pockets, imagine what our contract would be if we paid chump change for some hack lawyer?What stunt? Posting the phone number for the conference call? Then you obviously think browncafe sucks. Becuase there are tons of posts about what was said on that conference call here on browncafe. Can't management come on here an read everything that hall said? Wasn't it suppose to be a secret?Oh expect this kind of rhetoric for a while from me because of their latest little stunt they pissed on OUR great union and tried to undermine my boy hall hard work. Shame on TDU
Thank god for TDU and browncafe, otherwise I would just be another teamster mushroom.
Very impressive!!!!TDU is a subversive activist group compiled of "misfits", "outcasts" and "burnouts" who are still members of the Teamsters. While they "do" provide information on their websites that can at times, provide a good source of information for all members, they can in the alternative provide FALSE information that harms members.
For instance, in this years negotiations, they are claiming that "a deal to be made soon", even though they are NOT a part of the negotiations, nor are they present in the committees.
This "HARMS" the membership, because the members who read this will not PREPARE, PROTECT or PLAN their lives to include a strike against UPS.
In 1997, Ron Carey and TDU didnt communicate to the membership ahead of time that a strike was imminent and we were all caught by surprise and none of us had time to prepare.
Ron Carey had sucked out all the strike fund with his OVERNIGHT fiasco, and we were left with 50 bucks a week for three weeks to survive on.
This time, TDU is at it again, putting up FALSE HOPES and confusing the membership. Members need to prepare, plan and protect their personal finances TODAY.
Regardless of what happens in the negotiations, EVERYONE needs to plan as if a strike is imminent.
All the happy talk in the world wont pay your mortgage, rent, bills, daycare and such, and TDU isnt about to hand out money to members should we end up on strike.
For me, I hope that if we do go on strike, we can reflect on the disconnect that TDU displayed and that group finally put out of business.
Let us not forget that TDU attempted to give us SANDY POPE as leader and the membership overwhelmingly rejected that.
Peace
TOS
TDU is a subversive activist group compiled of "misfits", "outcasts" and "burnouts" who are still members of the Teamsters. While they "do" provide information on their websites that can at times, provide a good source of information for all members, they can in the alternative provide FALSE information that harms members.
Peace
TOS
I would not trust hall if he had indeed planned on giving out "confidential info" on a conference call with DOZENS of stewards. Please. TDU compromised NOTHING, there was never going to be privileged info on that call as management would get wind of it, number posted or not! TDU is all about preventing the union from giving the rank and file an information brown-out. It is about transparency and holding the union whom we pay for accountable to us.