Telematics...UPS is wiring your truck

[backinbrown]

And answer me this, why is the cost $40? I have heard several throw this number around. What is the basis for your cost estimate?

I guess honestly from here


As far as why not, riddle me this. Why is UPS mothballing a whole fleet of low rider trucks (p1000's) that have 3 point seat belts and are a lot newer than the trucks you are complaining about?

Mothballing went over my head i didn't understand your question sorry a little slow today

Know the answer to that one?

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[Catatonic]

As far as why not, riddle me this. Why is UPS mothballing a whole fleet of low rider trucks (p1000's) that have 3 point seat belts and are a lot newer than the trucks you are complaining about?
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Because Oregon is the only state left where all packages cars do not have 3-point seat belts?

 

[dannyboy]

Brown

Let me spell it out a bit more clearly for you.

Got this P1000. One of the newer ones. Rides like a caddy, power steering, diesel engine that runs like a champ, nice low first step (great on the knees of the older crowd) One of the best trucks in the system. Has a comfortable seat with a three point seat belt.

Driver goes out last week and the engine blows. The car has 187000 miles on it, barely broken in per UPS usage.

So, without it ever being wrecked, why was it junked with only a blown engine? You do understand junked out, right?

Hoax, I believe a full 20% of our cars nation wide do not have the three point seat belts. While I do not have hard evidence, I suspect that number is pretty close to accurate.

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[Catatonic]

Hoax, I believe a full 20% of our cars nation wide do not have the three point seat belts. While I do not have hard evidence, I suspect that number is pretty close to accurate.

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No reason to argue otherwise ... I was ribbing soberups.

 

[backinbrown]

Brown

Let me spell it out a bit more clearly for you.

Got this P1000. One of the newer ones. Rides like a caddy, power steering, diesel engine that runs like a champ, nice low first step (great on the knees of the older crowd) One of the best trucks in the system. Has a comfortable seat with a three point seat belt.

Driver goes out last week and the engine blows. The car has 187000 miles on it, barely broken in per UPS usage.

So, without it ever being wrecked, why was it junked with only a blown engine? You do understand junked out, right?


Uh hello i think i know what junked is

and why would i know why they would do that

we have trucks that are very old and they keep fixing them

so i don't know why they wouldn't fix a newer one

i am pro seatbelt and newer trucks

did i post somewere that i am against driver safety?

i am still confused


Hoax, I believe a full 20% of our cars nation wide do not have the three point seat belts. While I do not have hard evidence, I suspect that number is pretty close to accurate.

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[dannyboy]

Well good, just wanted you to be up to date on the terminology.

So, now that 308 has a blown motor, why does UPS not fix said newer truck, when our center has 25-30 cars that are at least 10 years or more older, none have power steering, none have 3 point seat belts and all have the mile high first step?

Its because the manufacturer no longer carries parts for them. And unlike the ones that were around when Jim Casey was still alive, there has not been a company that will produce after market parts for them.

So that means there are no approved parts available for the repairs that would be needed.

So this once great truck will be stripped of usable parts and recycled.

And my guess is that in this example you will find the answer to your question of why they dont install 3 point seat belts in all the vehicles. At least for the majority of them.

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[backinbrown]

Well good, just wanted you to be up to date on the terminology.

So, now that 308 has a blown motor, why does UPS not fix said newer truck, when our center has 25-30 cars that are at least 10 years or more older, none have power steering, none have 3 point seat belts and all have the mile high first step?

Its because the manufacturer no longer carries parts for them. And unlike the ones that were around when Jim Casey was still alive, there has not been a company that will produce after market parts for them.

So that means there are no approved parts available for the repairs that would be needed.

So this once great truck will be stripped of usable parts and recycled.

And my guess is that in this example you will find the answer to your question of why they dont install 3 point seat belts in all the vehicles. At least for the majority of them.

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I will say that is the best sensible reason i have heard so far

 

[HEFFERNAN]

Hey Danny

Save your sensible argument style for the big boys !

Plus this telematics thread has been hijacked long enough !!

We have been running the new system for the past 6 weeks. So far, nothing really out of the ordinary. You do your job right and you got nothing to worry about. Honestly, more drivers are concerned with the route cutting than the telematic system.

Also if anyone out there knows this question, answer please. I'm curious to know how long these reports would "stay in your file". Meaning, can they come out and tell me 5 years from now, "You have had 732 backing incidents over 50 feet the last 5 years" or if an incident happened can they go back over the years and find where a driver did the same thing using the wrong techniques. Now is your file really a computer file or still in the file cabinet.

 

[stevetheupsguy]

Hey Danny

Save your sensible argument style for the big boys !

Plus this telematics thread has been hijacked long enough !!

We have been running the new system for the past 6 weeks. So far, nothing really out of the ordinary. You do your job right and you got nothing to worry about. Honestly, more drivers are concerned with the route cutting than the telematic system.

Also if anyone out there knows this question, answer please. I'm curious to know how long these reports would "stay in your file". Meaning, can they come out and tell me 5 years from now, "You have had 732 backing incidents over 50 feet the last 5 years" or if an incident happened can they go back over the years and find where a driver did the same thing using the wrong techniques. Now is your file really a computer file or still in the file cabinet.

AAArgh, sorry for dee hijack, mate. I would assume that they could keep the data as long as they desire. The contract states 90 days for discipline, so I'd think this still applies. I mean, they can throw it in your face all they like, but they can't do anything about it, if 9 mos has past. jmho. Hope you like the lame attempt at buccaneer speak.

 

[pretzel_man]

Hey Danny

Save your sensible argument style for the big boys !

Plus this telematics thread has been hijacked long enough !!

We have been running the new system for the past 6 weeks. So far, nothing really out of the ordinary. You do your job right and you got nothing to worry about. Honestly, more drivers are concerned with the route cutting than the telematic system.

Also if anyone out there knows this question, answer please. I'm curious to know how long these reports would "stay in your file". Meaning, can they come out and tell me 5 years from now, "You have had 732 backing incidents over 50 feet the last 5 years" or if an incident happened can they go back over the years and find where a driver did the same thing using the wrong techniques. Now is your file really a computer file or still in the file cabinet.

The system keeps it a short amount of time. Something like 30 days. Of course, they can print out anything they want and file it.

 

[dilligaf]

Back, forget to post on that last one?

As for what I was doing when he was delivering, I was on break, what else.

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LOL the boss can be on break whenever he wants.

 

[Big Babooba]

Also if anyone out there knows this question, answer please. I'm curious to know how long these reports would "stay in your file". Meaning, can they come out and tell me 5 years from now, "You have had 732 backing incidents over 50 feet the last 5 years" or if an incident happened can they go back over the years and find where a driver did the same thing using the wrong techniques. Now is your file really a computer file or still in the file cabinet.

Let's put it this way. You'll meet Saint Peter some day. He'll look in your file and say, "You had 732 backing incidents over 50 feet in the last 5 years!". He'll slam those gates shut and you won't be able to enter The Kingdom. But that's OK - some like it hot!

 

[Catatonic]

Let's put it this way. You'll meet Saint Peter some day. He'll look in your file and say, "You had 732 backing incidents over 50 feet in the last 5 years!". He'll slam those gates shut and you won't be able to enter The Kingdom. But that's OK - some like it hot!

OK...that's funny. Wife wanted to know what I'm laughing at.
Told her it was something the big fat cat guy wrote.

 

[HEFFERNAN]

Let's put it this way. You'll meet Saint Peter some day. He'll look in your file and say, "You had 732 backing incidents over 50 feet in the last 5 years!". He'll slam those gates shut and you won't be able to enter The Kingdom. But that's OK - some like it hot!

If that is all St. Pete tells me, I am one lucky son of a bitch !!!!!

That's OK, I dress for the weather anyways.

 

[dilligaf]

OK...that's funny. Wife wanted to know what I'm laughing at.
Told her it was something the big fat cat guy wrote.

Now that was funny, the big fat cat guy with the big fat cat!

 

[dilligaf]

If that is all St. Pete tells me, I am one lucky son of a bitch !!!!!

That's OK, I dress for the weather anyways.

Do you prefer open toe or closed toe heels during the summer?

 

[Big Babooba]

Now that was funny, the big fat cat guy with the big fat cat!

Now you hurt our best feelings!....not really!

 

[dilligaf]

Now you hurt our best feelings!....not really!

OOOOOOOOOOOppps BTW did you give that big fat cat a hug for me? LOL

 

[soberups]

And answer me this, why is the cost $40? I have heard several throw this number around. What is the basis for your cost estimate?

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I'm the one that started throwing the $40 figure around.

I own a 1976 Chevrolet pickup, and have the original build sheet for it someplace. The 76's all came with lap belts only as standard equipment, and 3-point belts were a $40 option. I would assume that the price difference for a 3-point belt vs. a lap belt in a package car would be roughly equal. Be it $40 or $50 or even $100, the point remains the same; When UPS ordered the vehicle, the life of the driver was calculated to be unworthy of the expense.

 

[dannyboy]

Heffe

When you get into trouble, I keep hearing people say that after 9 months, everything falls off your record. In a way, yes. Keep your nose clean, dont repeat stupid mistakes, and it does go away.

Problem is that many employees dont. And there lies the rub with the 9 months issue.

The company keeps records as long as it sees fit. And when you transgress, they can and will bring up your past record of misdeeds from day one if it helps their case against you. It helps them show that you have been a long term problem, one that they have tried to fix, but you as an hourly employee just refuse to change your behavior.

So my suggestion would be to work as instructed. Follow their rules. Deliver as instructed. And fasten that seat belt.

I own a 1976 Chevrolet pickup, and have the original build sheet for it someplace. The 76's all came with lap belts only as standard equipment, and 3-point belts were a $40 option

Sober my dear friend, I know where they got it from. You and I have been through all this before. And before I reply, I do whole heartedly agree that in the name of safety, UPS needs to develop a long term plan to have all the package cars either junked or retrofitted with lap and shoulder belts.

You stated that beginning with the 76 year models, lap belts were standard, with a $40 option for the three point belts. That is true for the pickups you are using as proof.

Problem is that this is not the case for the package cars that UPS bought. They are in a different class, with different sets of rules and regs to govern their production and equipment.

Therefore, there were never any options available on the delivery trucks, so there are no approved replacements that would allow for the change over.

That would mean that any modification to the car to allow for the installation of the three point hitch would not meet the needed requirement to pass the genuine replacement part.

In other words, there are no approved replacement parts to do such a change over, and there is no way UPS is going to put their butts in the legal sling to do a modification with non approved replacement parts.

You can do them all day long to your personal vehicle. But the minute you let someone else drive that vehicle, that modification can come back to haunt you should they be involved in an accident.

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