The countdown to Trump Impeachment

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

What we're seeing is this administration being internally sabotaged right out of the gate. There's at least one person in the intelligence dept. leaking classified info and private phone conversations to the media. Obviously, this is someone left over from the prior administration trying to take Trump down.

You really think everything that went on during the Obama administration was squeaky clean? Yeah right! Obama didn't have someone inside against him illegally leaking classified info.

No, he had just had the entire Republican party blocking his each and every move.

 

[It will be fine]

its not a question of getting over. The guy was either a private citizen with rights when he was wiretapped or a public official from an incoming administration getting prepared for his future position by establishing contacts with foreign representatives.

if your argument is that he was a private citizen that broke the law by making that phone call then he as a private citizen would also have legal protection against being wiretapped and listened to.

if he as acting in an official capacity then he clearly did not wrong with his phone call.

you cant take both sides of the fence on this issue.

Even if we grant he was acting in an official capacity, he was telling the Russians to disregard the new sanctions being imposed by the current government of the US. He was intentionally undermining US foreign policy. That's inappropriate.

 

[oldngray]

Even if we grant he was acting in an official capacity, he was telling the Russians to disregard the new sanctions being imposed by the current government of the US. He was intentionally undermining US foreign policy. That's inappropriate.

How do you know what was said in those conversations or his motives?

 

[newfie]

Where are the transcripts of all these " illegal " calls ?
So far all that is known is that some calls were made .
Where's the proof ?

the rumors are more beneficial to the libs then the facts

 

[Jones]

Well, maybe they were just talking about the weather?

Dec. 29: Then-President Obama announces new sanctions against Russia in response to its interference in the U.S. presidential election. Flynn speaks to Sergey Kislyak, Russia’s ambassador to the U.S., by phone the same day.

Dec. 30: Russian President Vladimir Putin says he won’t retaliate against the U.S. for the sanctions, surprising Obama administration officials. Afterward, intelligence analysts review intercepted communications and reportedly find Kislyak’s communications with Flynn.

Jan. 12: Washington Post columnist David Ignatius first reports on Flynn and Kislyak’s phone calls, questioning whether they could undermine the hacking-related sanctions. Trump transition officials say the call did not touch on the topic.

Feb. 9: The Post reports Flynn, through a spokesperson, admitted he discussed sanctions with Kislyak, backtracking on his previous denials.

Timeline

 

[newfie]

Even if we grant he was acting in an official capacity, he was telling the Russians to disregard the new sanctions being imposed by the current government of the US. He was intentionally undermining US foreign policy. That's inappropriate.

there you go again making things up. there has been no release of the transcripts of those conversations.

a. you don't know what he said.
b. its very likely giving a three star general the benefit of having some sense that at worse he probably said the trump administration would review those sanctions.
he would know that there is no support for removing those sanctions at the present time. He would know that his boss does not give anything away. the art of the deal is you do not promise anything that is leverage to get what you want. if you're going to be a trump basher at least understand who you're bashing.
c. and again it is perfectly normal for an incoming staff member in that role to make contact with foreign leadership. you want the new administration hitting the road running not waiting until they are in office.

 

[wkmac]

No, he had just had the entire Republican party blocking his each and every move.

For working class Americans, maybe that was a good thing albeit I'm not convinced that was the republicans intent either.

During Obama's Presidency Wealth Inequality Has Increased and Poverty Levels are Higher

Income Inequality Worse Under Obama Than Under Bush

Can You Guess Which President Had The Worst Record on Income Inequality

Seems to me the reason republicans were blocking as you say was out of fear that Obama would get all the credit for fulfilling the 1%er agenda and thus they had to slow him down to leave something on the table for themselves so they could look good to their masters.

Seems to me this also flies in the face of claims made by some here that Obama is a communist because if he is, then Wall Street should absolutely love communism and there again, maybe they do!

 

[BrownArmy]

there you go again making things up. there has been no release of the transcripts of those conversations...
(..)

Do you realize you're becoming what you railed against for so many years?

We're past irony here, we need a new term.

 

[newfie]

No, he had just had the entire Republican party blocking his each and every move.

the first two years he had a super majority. had he done a good job with that super majority he would have handed it over to Hillary. in fact he the bed and gave the presidency , congress , most governorships and most state legislatures to the republicans. to blame that on the republicans is very naïve.

 

[Babagounj]

430 posts and still the goal has not been made .

 

[MrFedEx]

430 posts and still the goal has not been made .

All hail Der Orange Fuhrer. You'll stand by and watch it all happen.

 

[newfie]

All hail Der Orange Fuhrer. You'll stand by and watch it all happen.

we had a half black whats wrong with an orange guy this time. you liberals love colors

 

[rod]

Any riots this weekend? I need a new pair of tennis shoes.

 

[MAKAVELI]

All hail Der Orange Fuhrer. You'll stand by and watch it all happen.

Except he is a fake orange.

 

[MAKAVELI]

we had a half black whats wrong with an orange guy this time. you liberals love colors

Except he is a fake orange.

 

[MrFedEx]

Any riots this weekend? I need a new pair of tennis shoes.

Tasteful racism.

 

[rod]

Tasteful racism.

Everything to you is about race isn't it. It must be terrible living in your world.

 

[MrFedEx]

Everything to you is about race isn't it. It must be terrible living in your world.

You made the allusion, not me. You're not bright enough to see how racial overtones creep into your posts.

Trumpworld is the alternative reality. My world is just fine.

 

[rod]

You made the allusion, not me. You're not bright enough to see how racial overtones creep into your posts.

Trumpworld is the alternative reality. My world is just fine.

and you're not smart enough to realize the whole world isn't against you

 

[MrFedEx]

and you're not smart enough to realize the whole world isn't against you

Just the Trumpsters. That's enough for me.