The Green Lie

vantexan

Well-Known Member
You're right that the very nature of the business makes being Green difficult. My take is that FedEx wants the public to think it's making an all-out effort, when that's just not the case. I can't stand Sarah Palin, but her "lipstick on a pig" analogy seems appropriate for the FedEx Green Team. We're nowhere close to being there, and I think that it's much more about the PR than any real concern for the planet. The solar arrays and energy cells at OAKR and other locations are more of the same IMO.

Actually the "lipstick on a pig" line came from Barack Obama.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
I never heard him say it, but she did on the campaign trail. Was she mocking him?

Palin's joke was, and I'm paraphrasing, "Know what the difference is between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick!" That got alot of play. Then Obama made the statement "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." That's actually a saying that goes back aways in politics, but everyone at the rally thought he was referring to Palin. Got alot of play also.
 

Cactus

Just telling it like it is
Now, now, you keep using words with more than one syllable you might strain yourself.

You're a fine one to talk. You've really proven yourself an idiot by giving out your name and station ID.

I'm sure your managers have you right in the crosshairs.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
You're a fine one to talk. You've really proven yourself an idiot by giving out your name and station ID.

I'm sure your managers have you right in the crosshairs.

I first posted my name, etc about 5 years ago on Fedexaminer. Still here. Know why? I told the truth about some extreme situations that should've never happened. I've also told a number of mgrs at several stations about my experiences. They know how I feel, and know how disappointed I am that they've failed to keep their promises. I'm just marking time until retirement, and they know that too. I don't take advantage, have been tops in productivity in a number of stations, have dealt with them honestly. That's more than many employees can say, and these days I think it's getting harder to find decent employees. So I'm not worried about it.

But you seem to miss the point. Whether we are "green" or not has nothing to do with our pay and benefits. It's just another way to criticize and belittle the company. And it's a bit disingenuous too. If the company really spent the money necessary to be green better believe it'll come out of the employees' pockets. You don't want that, so why harp on what pretty much every corporation is doing these days,trying to cash in on the latest fad?
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
I always thought it was a lot of people buying fuel efficient foreign cars that got the industry to right itself and put out a decent product.
In part. But the 1980's sold a lot of Ford Escorts, Chevy Chevettes, and Dodge Omnis that were not even close to up to par but the companies did reinvest and reinvent many of the cars to be competitive if not leaders in the industry. If they never went down the road of efficient vehicles they wouldn't get to where they are.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
In part. But the 1980's sold a lot of Ford Escorts, Chevy Chevettes, and Dodge Omnis that were not even close to up to par but the companies did reinvest and reinvent many of the cars to be competitive if not leaders in the industry. If they never went down the road of efficient vehicles they wouldn't get to where they are.

I can just see you in your jacked-up Chevette with shackles, big tires in the back, and the underside painted lifevest orange (with lights). Chick magnet!!:happy2:
 

Cactus

Just telling it like it is
But you seem to miss the point. Whether we are "green" or not has nothing to do with our pay and benefits. It's just another way to criticize and belittle the company. And it's a bit disingenuous too. If the company really spent the money necessary to be green better believe it'll come out of the employees' pockets. You don't want that, so why harp on what pretty much every corporation is doing these days,trying to cash in on the latest fad?

There is no point to miss. Not for me anyway because I really don't give a rat's ass if FedEx goes green or not. It just seems that everything that comes out via FedEx PR is just BS anyway why shoukl this be any different? And EVERY time they spend money on ANYTHING it always comes out of the employees pockets one way or another. Going green wouldn't be any exception to that.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Is this Green enough for you?

Including the Cologne hub, the five on-line FedEx solar facilities will reduce annual carbon dioxide emissions by a projected 3,918 metric tons, the equivalent of more than 440,000 gallons of gasoline never burned or over 100,000 tree seedlings growing for 10 years.11 Source: http://www.epa.gov/RDEE/energy-resources/calculator.html


You missed my point, which is that FedEx never misses an opportunity to seem "green" when having a huge fleet of vehicles and airplanes is probably the least green thing on the planet short of the BP spill. I applaud FedEx and their solar facilities, but wonder if there will ever be more than 5 locations that have them. Once they've extracted the PR value of a handful of solar facilities or a dozen hybrid vehicles, will they continue to purchase more of them? I doubt it.
 

FedEx2000

Well-Known Member
You can't replace a fleet the size of ours overnight, it takes time. Yeah we still burn a ton of fuel, but this makes a big dent in it.......much bigger than the Prius you drive to work.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
You can't replace a fleet the size of ours overnight, it takes time. Yeah we still burn a ton of fuel, but this makes a big dent in it.......much bigger than the Prius you drive to work.

Unlike FedEx, I don't claim to be green. I enjoy my 2-stroke motorcycles and my diesel pickup truck and wouldn't drive a Prius if you gave me one.
 

quadro

Well-Known Member
You missed my point, which is that FedEx never misses an opportunity to seem "green" when having a huge fleet of vehicles and airplanes is probably the least green thing on the planet short of the BP spill. I applaud FedEx and their solar facilities, but wonder if there will ever be more than 5 locations that have them. Once they've extracted the PR value of a handful of solar facilities or a dozen hybrid vehicles, will they continue to purchase more of them? I doubt it.
The other problem with this is that there's just not enough incentive for business to really make a difference. The cost of "going green" tends to far exceed the ROI. That doesn't mean companies shouldn't try but it's tough to justify the costs on many levels.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
The other problem with this is that there's just not enough incentive for business to really make a difference. The cost of "going green" tends to far exceed the ROI. That doesn't mean companies shouldn't try but it's tough to justify the costs on many levels.

You just made my case for FedEx pretending to be green. They'll never commit to it all the way because the ROI won't justify it. I guess that means we won't be seeing any Bio-JetA MD11's or hydrogen cell W-700's any time soon eh? Smoke and mirrors all the way.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Unlike FedEx, I don't claim to be green. I enjoy my 2-stroke motorcycles and my diesel pickup truck and wouldn't drive a Prius if you gave me one.

I drove my dad's prius. Very nice ride, but like you wouldn't trade the Duramax for one.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
I drove my dad's prius. Very nice ride, but like you wouldn't trade the Duramax for one.

Nope. Probably wouldn't do a very good job pulling my trailer. If you ever want a good laugh, go to YouTube and enter "car pulling a trailer" in the search field. If the video starts out with a group of bicyclists by the side of the road you've got the right one.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Wish I could afford a Duramax...nah, I'm a Ford man. Wish I could afford a Powerstroke.
I'm a Ford guy too. But I'll let ya in on a little secret: any Powerstroke built after the second half of 2003 is a real shot in the dark. Put it this way. If you could afford a Powerstroke, you probably couldn't afford to keep it on the road.
 
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