The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!
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moreluck
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I don't know how I could sleep at night without knowing that 'little tidbit' Thanks!
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Obama's wiretapping records should contain all the needed evidence of any wrong doing by Trump .
Why hasn't that been released ?
DriveInDriveOut
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Fake news
It will be fine
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So are the trumpanzees cool with the RNC paying Donny's legal fees?
DriveInDriveOut
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Try again.
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oldngray
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DriveInDriveOut
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Sad for all of us, the Russian government is broadcasting propaganda on the radio in our nation's capital. Luckily for Russia, they have you and all the other maga fools to defend them.
Catatonic
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DriveInDriveOut
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No, Sputnik Radio, ttku pothead.
snowden on russia interference from 1 week ago with jeremy scahill:
And I also asked him for his current take on the investigation into allegations of Russian interference in the U.S. election.
JS: From all of the publicly available information that you’ve seen, and I know you monitor these issues extremely closely, are you convinced that there was a campaign directed from the highest levels of power in Moscow to seek to influence the outcome of the U.S. election? And you’re speaking to us of course from Moscow right now.
ES: Right, right, right. If the feed gets cut short, you guys know why. (laughter) You know this is one of those things where it’s frustrating because there’s so much smoke, and nobody’s willing to point to fire. And I come from the NSA, right? My last position, I was working counter-cyber, finding exactly the kind of hackers that are being sort of alleged in this current moment, but for China rather than for Russia. And I got to tell you, it wasn’t real hard to find these guys.
So we had this report that came from the DNI and basically three agencies: I think it was the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA. And they said in their finding that they had you know confidence that that was the assessment, but there were some really weird things this is led to this sort of ongoing drama that everybody’s focused on and it’s consuming nation with kind of a passion where we can focus on anything else. Because we’re elevating Russia to a position where they can sort of control our political outcomes. And I think that’s actually giving Russia too much credit. I don’t think Russia is that strong, right?
But when we look at this report, and we think about, obviously, Russia would have interest, any country would have interest in changing electoral outcomes in other countries, I mean we do it, why wouldn’t the Russians. But the main thing here is the FBI and the CIA both said we have high confidence in this assessment, basically the Russians did, and the NSA, who is best positioned to actually make this judgment, so they had medium confidence in this assessment. But why discrepancy there?
And the only reason that I can think about, and again I don’t know this. This the problem when we speak about these things we need evidence. You can track sort of these, let’s call them hacking attempts, from where they’re launched, even if the hackers are trying to hide their footsteps, when you have the powers of the NSA —
JS: You’re going out there, Ed. The feed actually has become choppy now that you’re getting into the details. [Audience laughs] As you were, Ed.
ES: To simplify things, and to sort of tie up the point here, when they were looking at the hacking into the DNC’s servers. This is a high value target. Whether we’re talking about the United States, whether we’re talking China, whether we’re talking Russia, everybody is targeting these institutions, if they have the resources, if they have the people, that’s their job.
And former director of the NSA and CIA. Michael Hayden says this — he’s actually described this as honorable espionage, which I think is a bit much, but that’s his perspective, right? This is what intelligence agencies do. And the problem with this is so the DNC didn’t actually provide their service to the FBI. They contracted this third party company that’s basically paid to provide an explanation that goes, look this matches these attack indicators, right? Fair enough. We’ve seen these before. They’re attributed to the Russians, we think Russian —
But that’s all that they provide. The reality here is if the NSA didn’t have the same level of confidence, it’s very likely it’s because there are more people on the system, right? There could be multiple actors there. We can have the French, we can have the Chinese, we can have the Israelis, we can have the Germans all on the same system. And this happens all of the time, it happens so frequently that in NSA we have an actual term of art for this. Instead of hacking somebody, we’ll just watch what the hackers who already hacked them are taking, and then we just save a copy of that. It is called fourth-party collection.
And because there was so much traffic on this, they couldn’t really de-conflict it. But this raises the big question of, “Ok, well if the Russians didn’t do it, who did it, right?” And I think this is where it gets dicey— and where I start to think alright is probably Russians —
JS: Hold on a bit, Ed. You said the word ‘Russia’ again, and it started to go choppy. [Audience laughs] Either that or someone — someone’s downloading porn here.
ES: Right. Right. Right. So we’ll tie this off then, because it’s going on for a while. There is this allegation, right, that Vladimir Putin and Hillary Clinton basically hate each other, like they’re mortal enemies, right? And he wouldn’t want to see this. So when you start seeing a qui bono, you know maybe it’s possible. But here’s the central problem with everything we’ve discussed right now: it’s entirely speculation. Absolutely none of it is reliable. And previously when the United States government has seen hacking efforts that they considered threats to national security, they released evidence.
This is what’s missing. The NSA is spying on everyone, everywhere, all of the time. That’s how mass surveillance works. So why is it that we aren’t getting evidence about what is arguably the most important public policy question, when it comes to sort of foreign intelligence efforts in recent history?
And I also asked him for his current take on the investigation into allegations of Russian interference in the U.S. election.
JS: From all of the publicly available information that you’ve seen, and I know you monitor these issues extremely closely, are you convinced that there was a campaign directed from the highest levels of power in Moscow to seek to influence the outcome of the U.S. election? And you’re speaking to us of course from Moscow right now.
ES: Right, right, right. If the feed gets cut short, you guys know why. (laughter) You know this is one of those things where it’s frustrating because there’s so much smoke, and nobody’s willing to point to fire. And I come from the NSA, right? My last position, I was working counter-cyber, finding exactly the kind of hackers that are being sort of alleged in this current moment, but for China rather than for Russia. And I got to tell you, it wasn’t real hard to find these guys.
So we had this report that came from the DNI and basically three agencies: I think it was the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA. And they said in their finding that they had you know confidence that that was the assessment, but there were some really weird things this is led to this sort of ongoing drama that everybody’s focused on and it’s consuming nation with kind of a passion where we can focus on anything else. Because we’re elevating Russia to a position where they can sort of control our political outcomes. And I think that’s actually giving Russia too much credit. I don’t think Russia is that strong, right?
But when we look at this report, and we think about, obviously, Russia would have interest, any country would have interest in changing electoral outcomes in other countries, I mean we do it, why wouldn’t the Russians. But the main thing here is the FBI and the CIA both said we have high confidence in this assessment, basically the Russians did, and the NSA, who is best positioned to actually make this judgment, so they had medium confidence in this assessment. But why discrepancy there?
And the only reason that I can think about, and again I don’t know this. This the problem when we speak about these things we need evidence. You can track sort of these, let’s call them hacking attempts, from where they’re launched, even if the hackers are trying to hide their footsteps, when you have the powers of the NSA —
JS: You’re going out there, Ed. The feed actually has become choppy now that you’re getting into the details. [Audience laughs] As you were, Ed.
ES: To simplify things, and to sort of tie up the point here, when they were looking at the hacking into the DNC’s servers. This is a high value target. Whether we’re talking about the United States, whether we’re talking China, whether we’re talking Russia, everybody is targeting these institutions, if they have the resources, if they have the people, that’s their job.
And former director of the NSA and CIA. Michael Hayden says this — he’s actually described this as honorable espionage, which I think is a bit much, but that’s his perspective, right? This is what intelligence agencies do. And the problem with this is so the DNC didn’t actually provide their service to the FBI. They contracted this third party company that’s basically paid to provide an explanation that goes, look this matches these attack indicators, right? Fair enough. We’ve seen these before. They’re attributed to the Russians, we think Russian —
But that’s all that they provide. The reality here is if the NSA didn’t have the same level of confidence, it’s very likely it’s because there are more people on the system, right? There could be multiple actors there. We can have the French, we can have the Chinese, we can have the Israelis, we can have the Germans all on the same system. And this happens all of the time, it happens so frequently that in NSA we have an actual term of art for this. Instead of hacking somebody, we’ll just watch what the hackers who already hacked them are taking, and then we just save a copy of that. It is called fourth-party collection.
And because there was so much traffic on this, they couldn’t really de-conflict it. But this raises the big question of, “Ok, well if the Russians didn’t do it, who did it, right?” And I think this is where it gets dicey— and where I start to think alright is probably Russians —
JS: Hold on a bit, Ed. You said the word ‘Russia’ again, and it started to go choppy. [Audience laughs] Either that or someone — someone’s downloading porn here.
ES: Right. Right. Right. So we’ll tie this off then, because it’s going on for a while. There is this allegation, right, that Vladimir Putin and Hillary Clinton basically hate each other, like they’re mortal enemies, right? And he wouldn’t want to see this. So when you start seeing a qui bono, you know maybe it’s possible. But here’s the central problem with everything we’ve discussed right now: it’s entirely speculation. Absolutely none of it is reliable. And previously when the United States government has seen hacking efforts that they considered threats to national security, they released evidence.
This is what’s missing. The NSA is spying on everyone, everywhere, all of the time. That’s how mass surveillance works. So why is it that we aren’t getting evidence about what is arguably the most important public policy question, when it comes to sort of foreign intelligence efforts in recent history?
even though this is not jeremy scahill's opinion, i think it points to his thoughts. from the superbowl of racism intercepted podcast:
jeremy scahill: I’ll also add that another Miss America contestant, Miss Missouri, addressed another major issue in the news in a much smarter and more nuanced way than most of the pundits you’ll see on MSNBC and that was on the issue of Trump and Russia.
Jordin Sparks: There are multiple investigations into whether Trump’s campaign colluded with Russia on the election. Well, did they? You’re the jury: guilty or innocent, and please explain your verdict.
Miss Missouri, Jennifer Davis: Right now, I’d have to say innocent because not enough information has been revealed. We are still investigating this and I think we should investigate it to its fullest extent. And if we do find the evidence that they have had collusion with Russia, then they should, the justice system should do their due diligence and they should be punished accordingly.
jeremy scahill: I’ll also add that another Miss America contestant, Miss Missouri, addressed another major issue in the news in a much smarter and more nuanced way than most of the pundits you’ll see on MSNBC and that was on the issue of Trump and Russia.
Jordin Sparks: There are multiple investigations into whether Trump’s campaign colluded with Russia on the election. Well, did they? You’re the jury: guilty or innocent, and please explain your verdict.
Miss Missouri, Jennifer Davis: Right now, I’d have to say innocent because not enough information has been revealed. We are still investigating this and I think we should investigate it to its fullest extent. And if we do find the evidence that they have had collusion with Russia, then they should, the justice system should do their due diligence and they should be punished accordingly.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Many sides, many sides.
chomsky. he doesnt say specifically whether they interferred or not:
The 88-year-old MIT professor Chomsky, a celebrated linguist and philosopher, thinks that the Russia story is a major distraction and it’s wrong for Democrats to focus their energies on it.
Noam Chomsky's Surprising Take on the Russia Scandal
The 88-year-old MIT professor Chomsky, a celebrated linguist and philosopher, thinks that the Russia story is a major distraction and it’s wrong for Democrats to focus their energies on it.
Noam Chomsky's Surprising Take on the Russia Scandal
Sportello
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john pilger:
What is known in the US as “the left” has effectively allied with the darkest recesses of institutional power, notably the Pentagon and the CIA, to see off a peace deal between Trump and Vladimir Putin and to reinstate Russia as an enemy, on the basis of no evidence of its alleged interference in the 2016 presidential election.
The Killing of History
What is known in the US as “the left” has effectively allied with the darkest recesses of institutional power, notably the Pentagon and the CIA, to see off a peace deal between Trump and Vladimir Putin and to reinstate Russia as an enemy, on the basis of no evidence of its alleged interference in the 2016 presidential election.
The Killing of History
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