The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!

tonyexpress

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Does This Man Know More Than Robert Mueller?
Glenn Greenwald’s war on the Russia investigation.

The reason is Russia. For the better part of two years, Greenwald has resisted the nagging bipartisan suspicion that Trumpworld is in one way or another compromised by a meddling foreign power. If there’s a conspiracy, he suspects, it’s one against the president; where others see collusion, he sees “McCarthyism.” Greenwald is predisposed to righteous posturing and contrarian eye-poking — and reflexively more skeptical of the U.S. intelligence community than of those it tells us to see as “enemies.”

And even if claims about Russian meddling are corroborated by Robert Mueller’s investigation, Greenwald’s not sure it adds up to much — some hacked emails changing hands, none all that damaging in their content, maybe some malevolent Twitter bots. In his eyes, the Russia-Trump story is a shiny red herring — one that distracts from the failures, corruption, and malice of the very Establishment so invested in promoting it. And when in January, as “Journalism Twitter” was chastising the president for one outrage or another, Congress quietly passed a bipartisan bill to reauthorize sweeping NSA surveillance, you had to admit Greenwald might have been onto something.

“When Trump becomes the starting point and ending point for how we talk about American politics, [we] don’t end up talking about the fundamental ways the American political and economic and cultural system are completely :censored2:ed for huge numbers of Americans who voted for Trump for that reason,” he says. “We don’t talk about all the ways the Democratic Party is a complete :censored2:ing disaster and a corrupt, sleazy sewer, and not an adequate alternative to this far-right movement that’s taking over American politics.”

“For me, the fundamental question is: How satisfied are you with the prevailing order, with the status quo?” By this, Greenwald does not mean life in the Trump era but the behavior of American elites over the past several generations. “How benevolent do you regard American power and American institutions?” The answer to that question says a lot about how you rate the Trump threat.
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
Does This Man Know More Than Robert Mueller?
Glenn Greenwald’s war on the Russia investigation.

The reason is Russia. For the better part of two years, Greenwald has resisted the nagging bipartisan suspicion that Trumpworld is in one way or another compromised by a meddling foreign power. If there’s a conspiracy, he suspects, it’s one against the president; where others see collusion, he sees “McCarthyism.” Greenwald is predisposed to righteous posturing and contrarian eye-poking — and reflexively more skeptical of the U.S. intelligence community than of those it tells us to see as “enemies.”

And even if claims about Russian meddling are corroborated by Robert Mueller’s investigation, Greenwald’s not sure it adds up to much — some hacked emails changing hands, none all that damaging in their content, maybe some malevolent Twitter bots. In his eyes, the Russia-Trump story is a shiny red herring — one that distracts from the failures, corruption, and malice of the very Establishment so invested in promoting it. And when in January, as “Journalism Twitter” was chastising the president for one outrage or another, Congress quietly passed a bipartisan bill to reauthorize sweeping NSA surveillance, you had to admit Greenwald might have been onto something.

“When Trump becomes the starting point and ending point for how we talk about American politics, [we] don’t end up talking about the fundamental ways the American political and economic and cultural system are completely :censored2:ed for huge numbers of Americans who voted for Trump for that reason,” he says. “We don’t talk about all the ways the Democratic Party is a complete :censored2:ing disaster and a corrupt, sleazy sewer, and not an adequate alternative to this far-right movement that’s taking over American politics.”

“For me, the fundamental question is: How satisfied are you with the prevailing order, with the status quo?” By this, Greenwald does not mean life in the Trump era but the behavior of American elites over the past several generations. “How benevolent do you regard American power and American institutions?” The answer to that question says a lot about how you rate the Trump threat.
You and @rickyb sharing notes now?
 

bbsam

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Staff member
Does This Man Know More Than Robert Mueller?
Glenn Greenwald’s war on the Russia investigation.

The reason is Russia. For the better part of two years, Greenwald has resisted the nagging bipartisan suspicion that Trumpworld is in one way or another compromised by a meddling foreign power. If there’s a conspiracy, he suspects, it’s one against the president; where others see collusion, he sees “McCarthyism.” Greenwald is predisposed to righteous posturing and contrarian eye-poking — and reflexively more skeptical of the U.S. intelligence community than of those it tells us to see as “enemies.”

And even if claims about Russian meddling are corroborated by Robert Mueller’s investigation, Greenwald’s not sure it adds up to much — some hacked emails changing hands, none all that damaging in their content, maybe some malevolent Twitter bots. In his eyes, the Russia-Trump story is a shiny red herring — one that distracts from the failures, corruption, and malice of the very Establishment so invested in promoting it. And when in January, as “Journalism Twitter” was chastising the president for one outrage or another, Congress quietly passed a bipartisan bill to reauthorize sweeping NSA surveillance, you had to admit Greenwald might have been onto something.

“When Trump becomes the starting point and ending point for how we talk about American politics, [we] don’t end up talking about the fundamental ways the American political and economic and cultural system are completely :censored2:ed for huge numbers of Americans who voted for Trump for that reason,” he says. “We don’t talk about all the ways the Democratic Party is a complete :censored2:ing disaster and a corrupt, sleazy sewer, and not an adequate alternative to this far-right movement that’s taking over American politics.”

“For me, the fundamental question is: How satisfied are you with the prevailing order, with the status quo?” By this, Greenwald does not mean life in the Trump era but the behavior of American elites over the past several generations. “How benevolent do you regard American power and American institutions?” The answer to that question says a lot about how you rate the Trump threat.
I can't believe Greenwald is so superficial.

It's as simple as follow the money. And if you don't like how the "elites" have run things into the ground, well when exactly was the last time Donald Trump hung out at the local VFW for a couple beers.

What he's really saying is that Trump is the elite that the other elites can't stand. That's not exactly draining the swamp.
 

tonyexpress

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From the same article:

Rather than see Trump as a product of a rotten power structure, as Greenwald does, and the 2016 election as a wild reaction against that power structure, as Greenwald also does, it was easier for most American liberals to frame his victory as an accident. And rather than look within to eradicate the conditions that wrought Trump, it was more comforting to pin his rise on an external foe.

If you believe the 2016 election was a populist uprising against complacent elites, the Russia preoccupation can seem like an effort to ignore what Trump voters — and Sanders voters — were trying to say. Alternatively, if you believe Trump’s victory was a Russia-perpetrated fraud, normalcy is restored simply by removing him from office. Which, conveniently, is what many hope Mueller’s Russia probe will do.
 

bbsam

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From the same article:

Rather than see Trump as a product of a rotten power structure, as Greenwald does, and the 2016 election as a wild reaction against that power structure, as Greenwald also does, it was easier for most American liberals to frame his victory as an accident. And rather than look within to eradicate the conditions that wrought Trump, it was more comforting to pin his rise on an external foe.

If you believe the 2016 election was a populist uprising against complacent elites, the Russia preoccupation can seem like an effort to ignore what Trump voters — and Sanders voters — were trying to say. Alternatively, if you believe Trump’s victory was a Russia-perpetrated fraud, normalcy is restored simply by removing him from office. Which, conveniently, is what many hope Mueller’s Russia probe will do.
Somehow this piece suggests that anything is better than what we had in the establishment. That is so ridiculously stupid.

And to be honest. I think the electorate is pretty stupid but it's the establishments fault. All the disarray going on in the world will affect the US. Will Joe Six Pack feel it? No. Not any time soon. His and her lives will change only marginally.

Because when America was the unquestioned leader in the world, what did that even mean to your average American? Not much. And when we cede leadership (not even "leading from behind") what does that mean to the average American?

Not a damn thing.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
In his eyes, the Russia-Trump story is a shiny red herring — one that distracts from the failures, corruption, and malice of the very Establishment so invested in promoting it. And when in January, as “Journalism Twitter” was chastising the president for one outrage or another, Congress quietly passed a bipartisan bill to reauthorize sweeping NSA surveillance, you had to admit Greenwald might have been onto something.
Lol, nice try.
The Republicans are the ones who distracted from the FISA 702 reauthorization with the Hillary #releasethememo dossier garbage story they pushed so hard the same week.
Hypocrites.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
I 100% agree.

Release the ‘memo’.

Once that happens, it will be seen for the distraction that it is.

By all means, write/call/tweet anyone and everyone you can think of...

RELEASE THE MEMO!!!

(You’re a maroon)...
Distraction from what a winning economy, phony Russian collusion crashing into the ground or dems shutting down the government for illegals?
 

BrownArmy

Well-Known Member
Distraction from what a winning economy, phony Russian collusion crashing into the ground or dems shutting down the government for illegals?

Okey dokey then.

The economy was winning long before Trump, and in fact, the world economy is gang-busters, which boosts the US economy, etc...

Not Trump's doing.

Russian collusion? I don't think Trump is savvy enough to actively 'collude', but that's irrelevant.

(Collusion is such a slippery term...what happens when Mueller finds out that Trump was laundering money for Russian mobsters directly connected to the Kremlin?)

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Dems didn't shut the guvment down...

It's like Charlie Brown and Lucy...

Republicans keep holding the Immigration football, and the Dems keep believing that they can kick it.

We'll see.

You're a maroon.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Okey dokey then.

The economy was winning long before Trump, and in fact, the world economy is gang-busters, which boosts the US economy, etc...

Not Trump's doing.

Russian collusion? I don't think Trump is savvy enough to actively 'collude', but that's irrelevant.

(Collusion is such a slippery term...what happens when Mueller finds out that Trump was laundering money for Russian mobsters directly connected to the Kremlin?)

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Dems didn't shut the guvment down...

It's like Charlie Brown and Lucy...

Republicans keep holding the Immigration football, and the Dems kept believing that they could kick it.

We'll see.

You're a maroon.
You’re a rude little girl full of pseudo intellect, you talk a lot but don’t answer questions. Distracting from what?
#RƏГƏծŞƏТнзШƏЩԾ
 
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