We were dealing with Soviets, not Russia. And if you think things are set in stone forever you don't know history. You only know what communist sympathizers tell you.
The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!
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NATO and warsaw are both likely very immoral military alliances.
you should be skeptical.
There's no longer a Warsaw Pact.
no kidding.
Then why did you say "are both", present tense?
Brown echo
If u are not alive than for sure truth is not real
How many time does Putin need to show you that he don't take orders from nobody ,there are in your back yard!!
JS: And on Russia? For all the talk of Russia collusion and Trump being an asset, Donald Trump has dramatically ratcheted up official hostilities with Russia. Look at the ongoing attempted coup against a key Russian ally in Venezuela, the Trump administration’s arming of Ukrainian forces with lethal aid, Trump’s open threats to massively retaliate against Moscow if they interfered with Trump’s bombing of Russian ally Bashar al Assad. Trump hectored Angela Merkel and Germany over their purchase of natural gas from Russia, Trump has imposed sanctions, expelled diplomats, on and on. Trump has been pretty damn hawkish on Russia, despite all the absolutely questionable behavior and constant lies about his discussions with Russian figures or people attached to the Kremlin and his public comments about Putin and his meetings without notes. But as commander in chief, Donald Trump has been as hawkish—if not more so on some issues—than his predecessors.
JS: And now we come to this whole Russiagate matter. We do not yet have Robert Mueller’s report and Attorney General William Barr is a shady character. He was a key player in covering up the Iran-Contra scandal and getting pardons for some of the key criminals involved with it. But, it would be an unthinkably brazen move—even within Trump world—for William Barr to just whole cloth misquote Robert Mueller when he says that Mueller determined that there was no collusion, no criminal activity by Trump and Russia to interfere in the 2016 elections. So now we have this saga dragging on, and the Democratic chairs of several key House committees seem intent on continuing this investigation regardless of what the Mueller report says.
JS: This much is clear: This has been an utterly colossal media failure and it reveals how little things have actually changed with the broader press since the Iraq War lies. The overall tone of much of the reporting on this Trump-Russia story has started from the position that the intelligence community was being truthful about Trump and Russia. The reporting then sought to further confirm those assertions. It was confirmation bias to the nth degree.
The starting point should be, to quote I.friend. Stone, all governments lie. That is the biggest common denominator between the Iraq war media failures and the ones we have seen here with Russiagate
Intercepted Podcast: The Day After Mueller
JS: And now we come to this whole Russiagate matter. We do not yet have Robert Mueller’s report and Attorney General William Barr is a shady character. He was a key player in covering up the Iran-Contra scandal and getting pardons for some of the key criminals involved with it. But, it would be an unthinkably brazen move—even within Trump world—for William Barr to just whole cloth misquote Robert Mueller when he says that Mueller determined that there was no collusion, no criminal activity by Trump and Russia to interfere in the 2016 elections. So now we have this saga dragging on, and the Democratic chairs of several key House committees seem intent on continuing this investigation regardless of what the Mueller report says.
JS: This much is clear: This has been an utterly colossal media failure and it reveals how little things have actually changed with the broader press since the Iraq War lies. The overall tone of much of the reporting on this Trump-Russia story has started from the position that the intelligence community was being truthful about Trump and Russia. The reporting then sought to further confirm those assertions. It was confirmation bias to the nth degree.
The starting point should be, to quote I.friend. Stone, all governments lie. That is the biggest common denominator between the Iraq war media failures and the ones we have seen here with Russiagate
Intercepted Podcast: The Day After Mueller
Richard D. WolffVerified account @profwolff Mar 29
The collusion we had to worry about is that between Trump and the worst of US capitalism.
The collusion we had to worry about is that between Trump and the worst of US capitalism.
Brown echo
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JS: Instead of unpacking why Clinton lost to this reality TV host and known corrupt crook, a narrative was promoted by the most powerful political and media actors in our society. This was a Russian plot. Putin stole the election. Trump is a Kremlin agent or asset. It resulted in neocons hugging it out with Democratic strategists and CNN and MSNBC hosts. George W. Bush is now our buddy, the friendly little painter. And isn’t it cute how he passes mints to Michelle Obama?
Michelle Obama: So we’re together all the time, and I love him to death. He’s a wonderful man. He’s a funny man. And it was a simple gesture.
JS: This whole circus also included scores of former CIA, FBI, NSA, DNI, other alphabet soup veterans openly waging information warfare on cable news and as unnamed sources in print stories. But, we were told, this time—this time—the CIA is on our side. The CIA is telling the truth. Robert Mueller is going to save the Republic from the orange menace. No, those institutions are and remain what they have always been, and it was a grave media sin to believe otherwise. Every time former CIA director John Brennan appeared on cable news, it looked to me like information warfare, like an actual CIA propaganda campaign filled with mysterious references about how he has secret knowledge of what Mueller was really going to do.
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JS: We have been subjected to more than two years of nonstop, fact-free assertions and wild theories masquerading as fact, masquerading as insightful analysis. We have been repeatedly told that it was the beginning of the end for Trump. And there were tens upon tens of millions of dollars spent on this spectacle. Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of hours of Congressional time and energy was poured into proving the conspiracy theory that Trump is a secret Bolshevik operative being run by Putin.
Intercepted Podcast: The Day After Mueller
Michelle Obama: So we’re together all the time, and I love him to death. He’s a wonderful man. He’s a funny man. And it was a simple gesture.
JS: This whole circus also included scores of former CIA, FBI, NSA, DNI, other alphabet soup veterans openly waging information warfare on cable news and as unnamed sources in print stories. But, we were told, this time—this time—the CIA is on our side. The CIA is telling the truth. Robert Mueller is going to save the Republic from the orange menace. No, those institutions are and remain what they have always been, and it was a grave media sin to believe otherwise. Every time former CIA director John Brennan appeared on cable news, it looked to me like information warfare, like an actual CIA propaganda campaign filled with mysterious references about how he has secret knowledge of what Mueller was really going to do.
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JS: We have been subjected to more than two years of nonstop, fact-free assertions and wild theories masquerading as fact, masquerading as insightful analysis. We have been repeatedly told that it was the beginning of the end for Trump. And there were tens upon tens of millions of dollars spent on this spectacle. Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of hours of Congressional time and energy was poured into proving the conspiracy theory that Trump is a secret Bolshevik operative being run by Putin.
Intercepted Podcast: The Day After Mueller
floridays
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Brown echo
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Yes !! Sir!!! because the Russian know that Trump Voters are ignorant they prefer President Barrack over President Obama it's scary these people are allowed to Vote!!
floridays
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WTF?Yes !! Sir!!! because the Russian know that Trump Voters are ignorant they prefer President Barrack over President Obama it's scary these people are allowed to Vote!!
Brown echo
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floridays is in the house , I guess Rush Limbaugh's theory !!
MrFedEx
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Trump has been very soft on Russia, and only did something once he was under investigation.
Brown echo
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the Pee Pee tape from 2013 o 2002 ?
MrFedEx
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All of the usual suspects here keep saying the Steele Dossier is fake news when most of it has been substantiated, as in real news.
MrFedEx
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.....The alpha of the pack.
Yep. He's the big winner here. Dividing Americans, keeping Clinton out of office, and having a pliable maroon in the White House.
As opposed to Obama? Really?
Brown echo
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