The Western Conference and Local 177 H&W DISASTER!

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Hoffa SUX, Oct 23, 2013.

  1. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    Are you an Economist? What makes you think you are a creditable source of information? I mean you are the person got that posted THIS thread and used the initial vote results for the second one. LOL!!!!! The information I got was at the source and from our leader Andy M. at the 952 meeting. You were not even there Edgar remember, you were too busy getting a TDU Paff-Smear.
     
  2. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    Re: The Western Conference and Local 177 H&W DISASTER!

    Since some internet sites are saying the "TDU staff" is trying to take claim for my notes so I am
    posting this here and letting you know TDU sucks. Talk to your local officials that you voted
    for because they are the true source of information.


    Healthcare, GWI and Pension Breakdown

    These are personal notes from the Health Care workshop at Local 952 on
    10/19/13. They are intended as a guide for Irvine Center until official
    information is distributed to members. Please ask your Stewards or Business
    Agents questions on any issue so you are confident in your knowledge on the
    details of the package.
    This was the first meeting anywhere regarding the "Carve-Out" for the 11
    Western States and Local 177 which will cover 32,000 Teamster Members in the
    plan. It will be a seamless transition since most coverage is the same. All
    official information other than local/Parking lot meetings are planned to be
    mailed out with a Health Care 1-800 phone number, website, and Health Care
    conference calls. Detailed material is slated to be given out to members before
    the vote so they can be fully educated before casting their ballot.

    This is a huge win in getting the Healthcare package in the S.W.P.R. and
    having a direct vote on issues. The creation of the plan and it being
    controlled by our own trustees in the West puts our future in our own hands.
    Andy M says 99% of health care is basically the same only 2 items less
    than UPS plan and they are:

    1) Prescriptions - $5 dollars for generics or brand name if no generic is
    equivalent and Free for mail in generics or brand name if no generic is
    equivalent.

    (No change for Kaiser)

    2) Annual deductible - 100/200 annual deductible only In last year of contract
    (last 7 months in the 5th year) and ONLY for MAJOR MEDICAL.

    They also added to a 5 year benefit to coverage:

    If you die your family is covered at no cost for 5 years (instead of 6 months
    followed by 30 months COBRA) This is a major upgrade.

    -10 dollar co-pay

    - Same Providers - Blue Cross/Kaiser for a seamless transition into Taft
    Hartley.


    - Vision, Dental and Life insurance all the same. No cap on Dental.

    -No monthly Premiums

    - Dependent coverage intact

    - Surviving Spouse coverage till 65 or remarried. This is for death and spousal
    coverage for retired members. Medicare will take over at 65 for spouse and post
    supplemental insurance can be purchased for 50/100.

    - Golden 80 still intact

    - Post 65 supplemental insurance 50/100

    - Retiree Medical is an 80/20 Plan same as company and will ladder up.

    January 1, 2014 -$50 Single/$100 Family
    January 1, 2015 - $100 Single/$200 Family
    January 1, 2016 - $150 Single/ $300 Family till end of contract. (2018)



    - Total Compensation by end of contract: $37.03 dollars ($55.55 overtime)

    GWI - $3.90 (70,70, 70, 40/40 split, 50/50 split)

    H/W and pension - $5.00 ($1.00 a year)
    Total combined per year
    2013- $1.70
    2014- $1.70
    2015 - $1.70
    2016 - $1.80
    2017 - $2.00

    Total compensation: $8.90 an hour by end of Contract. (That .30 cents less than
    last contract where GWI was $4.20 and H/W was $5.00 totaling $9.20 by end of
    contract.)

    Pension increases: This is more than minimum wage going into your pension per hour and no better time to put money into to a start up health care plan.

    2013 - .25 cents to $9.85 an hour (.75 cents to H/W) so $9.85 x 2080 = $20,488 a year pension contributions
    2014 - 0 cents - same $9.85 (1.00 to H/W) so $9.85 x 2080 = $20,488 a year in pension contributions
    2015 - 0 cents - same $9.85 (1.00 to H/W) so $9.85 x 2080 = $20,488 a year in pension contributions
    2016 - .50 cents to - $10.35 (.50 to H/W) so $10.35 x 2080 = $21,528 a year in pension contributions
    2017 - .50 cents to - $10. 85 (. 50 to H/W) so $10.85 x 2080 = $22,568 a year in pension contributions

    For a total of $105,560 per full timer into the plan for the new proposal.

    *Any pension contribution may be diverted to Health Care if needed as in any Taft Hartley This does NOT mean it will.

    .05 cents from Legal Trust to H/C each year (over funded)


    So a $3.90 cent raise to $37.03 ($55.55 0vertime)
    Pension contributions in a secure and 90% funded plan to the tune of $105,560 per full timer (5 years of contract).
    and a platinum
    90/10 heath coverage that is 99% the same.

    How is this a "Bad" contract? I mean maybe if you are rich you can say it is ok.... but to call it bad or a disaster? Really?
     
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2013
  3. rpoz11

    rpoz11 Member

    Re: The Western Conference and Local 177 H&W DISASTER!

    "Dependent Coverage Intact"

    With laws changing Nationally, with regards to Health Care for children up to 26 years of age, how does this plan address this?
     
  4. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    Hey they didn't want team care so they can have that other plan. The grass will be greener over there.
     
  5. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    It doesn't. It will be great. Vote yes and I guarantee you will have way better benefits than everybody else. There's no way this carve out isn't the best thing since sliced bread.
     
  6. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    Re: The Western Conference and Local 177 H&W DISASTER!

    Good question but this is just an update (I will not pretend to have all the answers like TOS). That is why they will be releasing a mail-out with a 1-800 number and website soon. It was very clear in the meeting they want everyone to be fully educated and informed. I just want to be fair.... The name on this thread is obviously trying to make the plan look bad when it is not. That is why they didn't post the actual pension contributions that is $105,000 by end of the contract. Every contract there is an issue that gets attention, last few were pension (and we did fatten up) this one is health care and at some point it will be wages. We negotiate and move the contribution money that UPS provides us around depending on our needs and next contract will be no different.
     
  7. East coast navy

    East coast navy Veteran

    I know. I'm putting them on the spot.
     
  8. Wally

    Wally BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns

    So, what I'm reading is: better heath coverage = less going into the pension. Not so good if underfunded as 177's is. A vote is planned that would put some of the wage increase towards the pension.

    This sounds to me like, "here is your pie, slice it up as you see fit".
     
  9. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    The whole less going into pension thing is B.S.........How much did you make last year? If you make $100,000 your pension contribution is $20,000+ each year will be 20% of your earnings. How much do you want going in? Most people dont even know we here in the west bumped our pension from $4.10 in 2002 to $9.60 an hour in 2013........ That is over minimum wage and going up to 10.85 an hour by end of contract. I cant speak for local 177 because we are not underfunded in fact out here in the west we have one of the best pension plans around and gonna keep a great health plan too. People need to read the contract instead of just hearing how money was diverted from the last one.
     
  10. East coast navy

    East coast navy Veteran

    I would wait until the ballots come in the mail. The BA's said the info would be out online before then. If not, they are well aware if they can't deliver. They will lose the local negotiations to NNC. I don't think they will put a second vote if they couldn't deliver.
     
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2013
  11. East coast navy

    East coast navy Veteran

    We are getting the same as you guys are. Also we are in a pension rehab program. Our local has been getting 30 cents on the hour in a forty hour week to pay for the program. Plus the 20cent buffer incase this goes south. The extra contributions will get us out of the rehab program in four years. On the fifth year if we get out of the rehab we will get another pension bump ($100 to $150). So I can't see how this is going to be bad.
     
  12. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    The Western Conference and Local 177 H&W DISASTER!

    Wow it's quit in this thread. Where are all the vote no guys? The West is doing fine! I been watching their site and most don't even know what is up with the different regions. They think TDU speaks nationwide.... Learn
     
  13. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    The Western Conference and Local 177 H&W DISASTER!

    What is a golden 80?..... Uhhhh vote no.
     
  14. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    The Western Conference and Local 177 H&W DISASTER!

    Dumb!
     
  15. Re: The Western Conference and Local 177 H&W DISASTER!

    Years of service. plus age!
     
  16. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    I hear it's going to be real good.
     
  17. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    Re: The Western Conference and Local 177 H&W DISASTER!

    It's a golden shower from an 80 year old lady. It's supposed to be real hot.
     
  18. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    The Western Conference and Local 177 H&W DISASTER!

    Lol.... I can't believe people are so dumb to back a "No Vote" and they don't know what a peer 80 is!
     
  19. opie

    opie Active Member

    Local 177 does not have this "golden 80" clause.
     
  20. Wally

    Wally BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns

    Re: The Western Conference and Local 177 H&W DISASTER!

    What does hitting 80 get you?