bowhnterdon
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Maybe not, but it needs to.Lets see the percentage of friend/T votes vs P/T
Time to clean house
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Jim Rockford
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Yeah..ive seen this excuse before. How many scab pilots are crossing? Drivers? Union carpenters..electricians? Try flying 251 planes without pilots.
BigUnionGuy
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How could it be hidden from the members, when it's been in the IBT
Constitution since 1987 ? It was used before in the National Master
Freight Agreement. People that weren't aware of the provision, are
obviously uninformed and don't participate in the Union.
It's pretty simple to understand why it was used, the chance of a
successful strike was slim to none.... as evidenced by the strike vote.
Bubblehead
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....yet this "rule" wasn't utilized in the last contract ratification, when 18 supplements failed?
It was validated this time as an "obligation", per the IBT Constitution, so why wasn't it last time?
For those who remember, I saw it coming and asked every Union official I could find if this two-thirds/50% rule was in play....and all I could get was "I don't know".
Then miraculously, in less than an hour after the votes were counted, it all became crystal clear.
SMH
BigUnionGuy
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Integrity
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I believe if the numbers were actually published we might be surprised with the total of full timers that did not vote.
When everyone was griping about the contract passing I asked guys in my work group and the sad truth is that more than I expected didn’t vote.
In my experience there are many apathetic full timers at UPS too, there is not just apathy in the part time ranks.
In a small way I think some of the postings and posters here on the BC can attest to that.
Bubblehead
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That language in Article XII isn't exclusive to Masters?
Integrity
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I’d like to see those numbers as well.
Unfortunately I think it would promote disunity which IMO IS unhealthy for our union.
Bubblehead
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How many of them told you that they didn't believe that their vote mattered due to the implementation of the last contract?
I heard that a lot.
Integrity
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There reasons were their reasons but I clearly said to them if you don’t vote you are part of the problem not part of the solution.
BigUnionGuy
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In 2013 the IBT followed the language in Article VII section 2(b) in regards
to the Master being approved and the 18 supplements being voted down.
We aren't going to beat this horse to death.... again ?
BigUnionGuy
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How many times have you heard that members don't want to file a
grievance or sign the 9.5 list, because they are afraid of retaliation ?
UPS knows it's employees.
Bubblehead
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I'm prepared to "beat that dead horse" all the way up to the next IBT Convention, where hopefully the two-thirds/50% rule will be abolished.In 2013 the IBT followed the language in Article VII section 2(b) in regards
to the Master being approved and the 18 supplements being voted down.
We aren't going to beat this horse to death.... again ?
Integrity
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Hope not.In 2013 the IBT followed the language in Article VII section 2(b) in regards
to the Master being approved and the 18 supplements being voted down.
We aren't going to beat this horse to death.... again ?
Get rid of Hoffa
Problem solved.
Integrity
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Hope you are nominated and can seek to facilitate the changes that you believe will be beneficial to the rank and file.
BigUnionGuy
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Nothing wrong with wishful thinking.
In a room full of red vests.... I don't see that happening.
Integrity
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Not saying someone else might not do a better job but I disagree with this statement.
The problem as I see it is, generally speaking, an apathetic, self centered rank and file which is exemplified by their unwillingness to participate in the democratic process by failure to vote.
It is also exemplified at times by the failure of many to uphold the contract by filing grievances when needed.
Bubblehead
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During the last POTUS cycle, I had a revelation when I went to the polls to vote.
While I arrived prepared to vote, I soon realized that I wasn't, at least not completely.
I was definitely educated on how I wanted to vote for many candidates and most issues on the ballot, but not all of them.
There were positions like County Auditor and a couple of bond levies that I didn't know about, and not being affiliated with a political party, I found myself having to choose between "pop-a-shotting" a vote or abstaining.
I choose to abstain, rather than dilute the votes of those qualified.
So maybe, just maybe, those who choose not to educate themselves and vote, are actually doing us all a favor, allowing and trusting their brothers and sisters who are to speak for them?
While I arrived prepared to vote, I soon realized that I wasn't, at least not completely.
I was definitely educated on how I wanted to vote for many candidates and most issues on the ballot, but not all of them.
There were positions like County Auditor and a couple of bond levies that I didn't know about, and not being affiliated with a political party, I found myself having to choose between "pop-a-shotting" a vote or abstaining.
I choose to abstain, rather than dilute the votes of those qualified.
So maybe, just maybe, those who choose not to educate themselves and vote, are actually doing us all a favor, allowing and trusting their brothers and sisters who are to speak for them?
Are you a union member? If not, it's none of your business.
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