Trump Is Copying Hitler’s Early Rhetoric and Policies

BrownArmy

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I don't defend him anymore than I did Obama and his fascist tendencies.

It works fine.

Curiously, what would you ascribe to Obama as ‘fascist’ tendencies?

From my vantage point, he was as capitalist as capitalist can be.

He was more ‘left’ than some, to be sure, but this is the guy who bailed out large sectors of the banking industry, etc.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Curiously, what would you ascribe to Obama as ‘fascist’ tendencies?

From my vantage point, he was as capitalist as capitalist can be.

He was more ‘left’ than some, to be sure, but this is the guy who bailed out large sectors of the banking industry, etc.
Fascism is essentially capitalism and socialism combined. State control over capitalist companies. A capitalist economy that's highly regulated.
 

BrownArmy

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Fascism is essentially capitalism and socialism combined. State control over capitalist companies. A capitalist economy that's highly regulated.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I wasn’t asking you.

But, while we’re at it, JA, which of those lazy definitions describes Obama’s policies?
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
Which in your POV is any Republican rally. SMH
Very fine people!
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vantexan

Well-Known Member
Not to put too fine a point on it, but I wasn’t asking you.

But, while we’re at it, JA, which of those lazy definitions describes Obama’s policies?
Strangling business with regulation, controlling healthcare was definitely moving towards a fascist state. You can't see it because the guy doing it was a Democrat.
 

BrownArmy

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Strangling business with regulation, controlling healthcare was definitely moving towards a fascist state. You can't see it because the guy doing it was a Democrat.

Wrong.

There’s a reflexive attitude with people like you that ALL REGULATION is wrong.

I’m sorry, I’m actually interested in targeted regulations that address toxic chemicals in my food supply, or dumping of chemicals into the water supply, or worker health and safety, or simple mandates for the general well-being of the citizens of this nation.

Perhaps you’d enjoy the 1890’s, or the 1920’s, when businesses could (and did) do anything and everything they wanted. The pollution was off the charts.

Over-regulation or superfluous regulation is obviously unhelpful, but I don’t mind the government telling the plastics plant that they can’t simply dump the effluents from their process straight into the river.

Regulations aren’t the problem, it’s correct regulations.

Unfortunately, regulations are currently written by the industry’s being regulated.

Does that make sense to you?
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Wrong.

There’s a reflexive attitude with people like you that ALL REGULATION is wrong.

I’m sorry, I’m actually interested in targeted regulations that address toxic chemicals in my food supply, or dumping of chemicals into the water supply, or worker health and safety, or simple mandates for the general well-being of the citizens of this nation.

Perhaps you’d enjoy the 1890’s, or the 1920’s, when businesses could (and did) do anything and everything they wanted. The pollution was off the charts.

Over-regulation or superfluous regulation is obviously unhelpful, but I don’t mind the government telling the plastics plant that they can’t simply dump the effluents from their process straight into the river.

Regulations aren’t the problem, it’s correct regulations.

Unfortunately, regulations are currently written by the industry’s being regulated.

Does that make sense to you?
This is where you tend to go off the authoritarian deep end, straight loony toons.
 

BrownArmy

Well-Known Member
This is where you tend to go off the authoritarian deep end, straight loony toons.

I guess it’s straight looney-tunes to expect to live in a world where corporations have, at best, the same rights as people.

I guess, in your world, corporations can do whatever they want?

Can you do whatever you want?

The answer should be yes, since you’re a person, and corporations are people.

Ever seen a corporation brought up on manslaughter?

Ever seen a corporation given the death penalty?

Why can corporations pollute our air and water, and then lobby government to change the rules so they can’t be held accountable?

If I poisoned my neighbor, willfully, I’d go to jail.

Corporations willfully poison folk all the time, but they’re not held to the same standards.

Weird, huh?

They fought so hard for and won ‘personhood’ status, and they enjoy the benefits there in.

But none of the downsides.

Sad.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Wrong.

There’s a reflexive attitude with people like you that ALL REGULATION is wrong.

I’m sorry, I’m actually interested in targeted regulations that address toxic chemicals in my food supply, or dumping of chemicals into the water supply, or worker health and safety, or simple mandates for the general well-being of the citizens of this nation.

Perhaps you’d enjoy the 1890’s, or the 1920’s, when businesses could (and did) do anything and everything they wanted. The pollution was off the charts.

Over-regulation or superfluous regulation is obviously unhelpful, but I don’t mind the government telling the plastics plant that they can’t simply dump the effluents from their process straight into the river.

Regulations aren’t the problem, it’s correct regulations.

Unfortunately, regulations are currently written by the industry’s being regulated.

Does that make sense to you?
Trump didn't remove regulations that protect your drinking water, etc. He removed regulations that made businesses jump through all kinds of hoops to start and stay in business. It was Obama's goal to make business fully recognize who was in charge. With high fees to boot. There's your fascism.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
I guess it’s straight looney-tunes to expect to live in a world where corporations have, at best, the same rights as people.

I guess, in your world, corporations can do whatever they want?

Can you do whatever you want?

The answer should be yes, since you’re a person, and corporations are people.

Ever seen a corporation brought up on manslaughter?

Ever seen a corporation given the death penalty?

Why can corporations pollute our air and water, and then lobby government to change the rules so they can’t be held accountable?

If I poisoned my neighbor, willfully, I’d go to jail.

Corporations willfully poison folk all the time, but they’re not held to the same standards.

Weird, huh?

They fought so hard for and won ‘personhood’ status, and they enjoy the benefits there in.

But none of the downsides.

Sad.
I was talking about your “simple mandates” line.
 
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