Ukraine Conducts "Military Exercise" in Russia

newfie

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Russia and China will win. Liberal democracy is over. The age of american unipolar domination is over. Can't wait to watch China take Taiwan. It's gonna be even better than watching those videos of hong kong protestors flying American flags getting clocked in the head by batons.
We'll see the proxy war in the Ukraine is starting to bear fruit. Putin is claiming the parts he still holds as his motherland.
expect limited nukes to protect the motherland when the Ukrainian push recovers the disputed lands.
if Putin loses he loses everything including his position and his life.
what could possibly go wrong here .
the question is now who will win at this point but how the win will occur and what means will be employed.
none of it looks good.
 

fishtm2001

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We'll see the proxy war in the Ukraine is starting to bear fruit. Putin is claiming the parts he still holds as his motherland.
expect limited nukes to protect the motherland when the Ukrainian push recovers the disputed lands.
if Putin loses he loses everything including his position and his life.
what could possibly go wrong here .
the question is now who will win at this point but how the win will occur and what means will be employed.
none of it looks good.
In the upside-down reality that donald's hero has created, he will surely claim that Ukrainians, in defending their land and their own people, are somehow attacking Russia.
 

fishtm2001

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"The success of the Ukrainian military over the past few months, along with the evolution of the Ukrainian state itself toward a more tolerant, more liberal norm, reveals what makes a better army in the modern world. Brains mean more than brawn, and adaptability means more than mindless aggression. Openness to new ideas and new equipment, along with the ability to learn quickly, is far more important than a simple desire to kill.

From the moment the Russian military crossed the border, the Ukrainians have outfought it, revealing it to be inflexible and intellectually vapid. Indeed when confronted with a Ukrainian military that was everything it was not—smart, adaptable, and willing to learn—the Russian army could only fall back on slow, massed firepower. The Battle of the Donbas, the war’s longest engagement, which started in late April and is still under way, exposed the Russian army at its worst. For months, it directed the bulk of personnel and equipment toward the center of a battle line running approximately from Izyum to Donetsk. Instead of breaking through Ukrainian lines and sending armored forces streaking forward rapidly, as many analysts had predicted, the Russian army opted to make painfully slow, incremental advances, by simply blasting the area directly in front of it. The plan seemed to be to render the area uninhabitable by Ukrainians, which would allow the Russians to advance intermittently into the vacuum. This was heavy-firepower, low-intelligence warfare on a grand scale, which resulted in strategically meaningless advances secured at the cost of unsustainably high Russian casualties. And in recent weeks, the Ukrainians have retaken much of the territory that Russia managed to seize at the start of the battle—and more.

I struggle to think of another case in the past 100 years when a major military power has performed as poorly against an adversary it was heavily favored to defeat. The supposedly second-strongest army in the world, with its martial spirit, brilliant doctrines, and advanced equipment, was thwarted and is now being pushed back by a Ukrainian military whose prospects most outsiders had dismissed before the war."

The Atlantic
 

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newfie

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At least you admitted to being a Tankie. Did you ever think he could record a video with a soundtrack and have it only playing on the video and his earbuds, not blaring over the countryside?

Sad, old man.
dead hero

how many foxholes have you dug in what military service?
 
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You ever been to war?
Didn’t think so.
"When people thank me for my service, I wish I could say that I fought to keep you free but the reality I must accept is I fought for the interests of an empire, not you"
-Tony Arterburn. Veteran paratrooper.

But he's a Bible thumping Christian so you can't be bothered to waste your time.
 

vantexan

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"The success of the Ukrainian military over the past few months, along with the evolution of the Ukrainian state itself toward a more tolerant, more liberal norm, reveals what makes a better army in the modern world. Brains mean more than brawn, and adaptability means more than mindless aggression. Openness to new ideas and new equipment, along with the ability to learn quickly, is far more important than a simple desire to kill.

From the moment the Russian military crossed the border, the Ukrainians have outfought it, revealing it to be inflexible and intellectually vapid. Indeed when confronted with a Ukrainian military that was everything it was not—smart, adaptable, and willing to learn—the Russian army could only fall back on slow, massed firepower. The Battle of the Donbas, the war’s longest engagement, which started in late April and is still under way, exposed the Russian army at its worst. For months, it directed the bulk of personnel and equipment toward the center of a battle line running approximately from Izyum to Donetsk. Instead of breaking through Ukrainian lines and sending armored forces streaking forward rapidly, as many analysts had predicted, the Russian army opted to make painfully slow, incremental advances, by simply blasting the area directly in front of it. The plan seemed to be to render the area uninhabitable by Ukrainians, which would allow the Russians to advance intermittently into the vacuum. This was heavy-firepower, low-intelligence warfare on a grand scale, which resulted in strategically meaningless advances secured at the cost of unsustainably high Russian casualties. And in recent weeks, the Ukrainians have retaken much of the territory that Russia managed to seize at the start of the battle—and more.

I struggle to think of another case in the past 100 years when a major military power has performed as poorly against an adversary it was heavily favored to defeat. The supposedly second-strongest army in the world, with its martial spirit, brilliant doctrines, and advanced equipment, was thwarted and is now being pushed back by a Ukrainian military whose prospects most outsiders had dismissed before the war."

The Atlantic
More tolerant, more liberal? Are they talking about the government that outlawed all political opposition? That was rated even more corrupt than Russia which is one of the world's most corrupt? Let's be honest. The Ukrainians in this situation are the lesser of two evils. They are the ones invaded. They're the ones whose civilians have been slaughtered. But they are by no means boy scouts and trying to clean up their image to make spending tens of billions on them palatable is just as ludicrous as attempting to make Republicans pro-Putin, pro-Russia who are justifying the invasion. Some are for sure. Just as some Democrats are pro defunding the police. You can't paint everyone with the same broad brush. But damn if you don't try.
 
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