maybe they had too much centralized power
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italy has 28000 worker run exploitation free jobs
if they can do it, so can the rest of us on that scale or larger
george lucas says hes not a huge believer in capitalism with democracy
me neither. his movies didnt use terms like socialism or capitalism, but they were definitely about power.
Retired36yrs
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What is your definition of employee exploitation?
workers produce value. capitalists take the value and give workers less than they produce. same is true for slavery, feudalism, govt jobs, etc.
machines exploiting humans
Retired36yrs
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Can’t follow your line of thinking.
exploitation: me doing $20/hr value worth of work, but only being paid $10/hr by my employer.
in the case of china its me doing $20/hr value worth of work, but only being paid $0.21/hr by my employer.
workers whose labor generates a surplus (an excess above what the workers themselves get back out of their output for their own consumption)
exploitation is defined as an organization of production in which the people who receive and distribute the surplus are different from those who produce it. Examples of exploitative organizations of production include slavery (masters exploit slaves), feudalism (lords exploit serfs) and capitalism (employers exploit employees).
Retired36yrs
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So you expect a person who formed a business through an idea and the wherewithal to grow it to a level that pays him or her back the investment and sacrifices - to compensate the workers an equal income to that what the owner of the company pays him or her self?
Ricky, you have obviously never even tried to start a business. If government mandated what you are suggesting, no one would put the effort and investment to go into business.
Retired36yrs
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That’s exactly why socialism never works.
no im saying if a person forms a business they should run it themselves.
and if they cant run it themselves, and say hire 1 person, then that other person should own half and they should reach an agreement on how to run it. at that point it wouldnt be capitalist, it would be socialist or cooperative.
marx, whos ideas were in the matrix, said unregulated capitalism will consume everything until it consumes itself and self destructs, like agent smith did in matrix sequels
so capitalism has the appearance of working, but it doesnt actually work. MIT predicts civilization will collapse by 2040. by 2030 the world will be 2 degrees C above normal, rendering large portions of it uninhabitable.
If you're only getting $10 then you need to compete by learning a skill that people will pay you more for. It's on you, not the employers, to enter the work world as prepared as possible.
28,000 out of millions is pretty miniscule.
were talking about exploitation here. were not talking about earning more money, although ending exploitation and therefore capitalism would certainly give workers more of their own money
its a good start.
italy was doing such a good job with worker coops that the US and UK came in there after wwII and busted it up.
You said it wasn't about more money then said you'd get more money. Well, which is it?
what was his question u
They busted it up yet there are 28,000? That's a neat trick. How'd we do that?
You tell me. I can't keep up with your doublespeak. And when did the U.S. invade Russia again?what was his question u
