UPS contract hurts or helps FedEx?

[fedx]

Yep. And don't be surprised if XPO Logistics decides to get in the game. Don't know why they haven't to this point.

Don't forget DHL is still around. They are the largest shipper overall in the world. They have a lot of market share in the US they could try to obtain. They've been sitting back in the US for some reason.

 

[bacha29]

Don't forget DHL is still around. They are the largest shipper overall in the world. They have a lot of market share in the US they could try to obtain. They've been sitting back in the US for some reason.

They tried to run domestic ground operation. Ended up having to fly much of it's ground just to get it there eventually. lost more than 600 million bucks doing it until they finally decided to pack it in.
You did hit a bullseye . The would be some one who might decide to get back in the domestic ground game at some point.

 

[59 Dano]

You don’t actually believe Express will give raises in October, do you?

There was the same pessimism this time last year. Everyone in steps 1-9 moved up and all of the steps were increased.

 

[59 Dano]

UPS went all in on their drivers and showed them respect , with that they’ll get quality workers. That means they’ll attract the best people applying at their company and be able to turn away the scrubs.
FedEx has taken the exact opposite approach. They’re trying to get to the bottom of the barrel, filling their company with anyone who applies. RAJ , a person who has no idea how to run a route and is strictly a numbers guy takes over because Fred couldn’t do his own dirty work.
If fedex doesn’t change direction , they’ll be ranked right behind RedExpress and Door Dash

What does Raj having never run a route have to do with anything?

 

[59 Dano]

Don't forget DHL is still around. They are the largest shipper overall in the world. They have a lot of market share in the US they could try to obtain. They've been sitting back in the US for some reason.

Might have something to do with the spectacular, monumental failure that was their domestic delivery network from 2003 to 2009.

 

[Operational needs]

There was the same pessimism this time last year. Everyone in steps 1-9 moved up and all of the steps were increased.

Which was great, but I don’t see how with all the cuts being made that they would ever think of giving people a raise. Do you know differently?

 

[Mutineer]

Might have something to do with the spectacular, monumental failure that was their domestic delivery network from 2003 to 2009.

I quit Airborne Express as soon as DHL was about to take over.

DHL (and /or their contractors) treating the former Airborne drivers like crap, and the constant turnover that resulted caused alot of problems.

 

[vantexan]

Which was great, but I don’t see how with all the cuts being made that they would ever think of giving people a raise. Do you know differently?

They only get generous, if you can call it that, when they have no other choice. And kicking and screaming doing it.

 

[vantexan]

I quit Airborne Express as soon as DHL was about to take over.

DHL (and /or their contractors) treating the former Airborne drivers like crap, and the constant turnover that resulted caused alot of problems.

I used to deliver to Airborne's headquarters in Seattle in 1989-90. I asked the mailroom guy why they got so much FedEx? He laughed and said people wanted to make sure it got there.

 

[FedupExpress]

Which was great, but I don’t see how with all the cuts being made that they would ever think of giving people a raise. Do you know differently?

I could see them laying half off and giving the usual buck 50 raise for those that remain.

 

[vantexan]

I could see them laying half off and giving the usual buck 50 raise for those that remain.

$1.50hr? Never saw one of those.

 

[yadig]

I used to deliver to Airborne's headquarters in Seattle in 1989-90. I asked the mailroom guy why they got so much FedEx? He laughed and said people wanted to make sure it got there.

That’s about to change

 

[59 Dano]

I quit Airborne Express as soon as DHL was about to take over.

DHL (and /or their contractors) treating the former Airborne drivers like crap, and the constant turnover that resulted caused alot of problems.

Airborne was losing money anyway when it was bought by DHL. It made Ground look like white glove service.

 

[59 Dano]

Which was great, but I don’t see how with all the cuts being made that they would ever think of giving people a raise. Do you know differently?

Depends on who you ask. The board is always tight-lipped about raises and they don't let stuff slip.

You can look at it two ways. They won't give raises because they're in maximum money saving mode. Or, they will give raises because less reliance on hourly bodies frees up more money for the rest.

 

[Gone fishin]

Depends on who you ask. The board is always tight-lipped about raises and they don't let stuff slip.

You can look at it two ways. They won't give raises because they're in maximum money saving mode. Or, they will give raises because less reliance on hourly bodies frees up more money for the rest.

Some other ways is , go hard merging , making everyone employees and getting back to being a great delivery company.
Reason 1 , because the company is turning into an embarrassment going to contractors and unreliable service.
Reason 2 , there’s a real shot at being number one delivery company. UPS drivers got a great financial contract , that said they just added over 2 billion in wages. They are going to have to increase shipping cost double digits to keep up.
Customers will beg fedex to have them if the company becomes reliable and professional again. We can stay cheaper and raise our wages

 

[Guitarman01]

Some other ways is , go hard merging , making everyone employees and getting back to being a great delivery company.
Reason 1 , because the company is turning into an embarrassment going to contractors and unreliable service.
Reason 2 , there’s a real shot at being number one delivery company. UPS drivers got a great financial contract , that said they just added over 2 billion in wages. They are going to have to increase shipping cost double digits to keep up.
Customers will beg fedex to have them if the company becomes reliable and professional again. We can stay cheaper and raise our wages

Even if given the possibility of being on FedEx payroll and delivering both air and ground in some sort of truck between the sprinters and grounds fleet, the thought of topping out at 28 an hour with sporadic step raises doesn't sound very appealing. At least with express you knew you were on mostly light duty and in comfortable vans to deal with the circle jerk.

 

[Gone fishin]

Even if given the possibility of being on FedEx payroll and delivering both air and ground in some sort of truck between the sprinters and grounds fleet, the thought of topping out at 28 an hour with sporadic step raises doesn't sound very appealing. At least with express you knew you were on mostly light duty and in comfortable vans to deal with the circle jerk.

Even if given the possibility of being on FedEx payroll and delivering both air and ground in some sort of truck between the sprinters and grounds fleet, the thought of topping out at 28 an hour with sporadic step raises doesn't sound very appealing. At least with express you knew you were on mostly light duty and in comfortable vans to deal with the circle jerk.

I’d start either west or the east. Build my hubs , acquire 900 ‘s and slowly merge , making the promise that contractors can either go into management or we’ll buy his equipment. Drivers can go right in to an employee role.
At the end of the day profits would soar after the country is complete. Quality drivers who care , I’m not saying 50 an hour, but upper 30’s.

 

[Mutineer]

Reason 1 , because the company is turning into an embarrassment going to contractors and unreliable service.

I think that is exactly the plan, and FedEx is OK with being embarrassing and unreliable.

Otherwise the great, ponderous heads would've made different decisions.

 

[Gone fishin]

I think that is exactly the plan, and FedEx is OK with being embarrassing and unreliable.

Otherwise the great, ponderous heads would've made different decisions.

I think that , but I don’t think they thought it would fail so bad. Express and ground can’t keep workers because of the issues on both sides

 

[Mutineer]

I think that , but I don’t think they thought it would fail so bad. Express and ground can’t keep workers because of the issues on both sides

Many people (including myself) believe that FedEx "can't keep workers."

But is that really true? And if it is true, FedEx is obviously OK with that.

Otherwise, they'd treat their people better and stop being such meanies. Right?

If Amazon can find enough luckless stooges to work in their warehouses and deliver, then FedEx can too.

Or maybe there really isn't such a "labor shortage" that the plasticky politicians and their lap-dog news media keeps telling us.