wilberforce15
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This makes so much sense.May want to check with your wife, and or mother, if she thinks that would be a good idea.
I don't live my life in fear of women.
This makes so much sense.May want to check with your wife, and or mother, if she thinks that would be a good idea.
Gums pm me when you get a chance forgot how to start one ThanksJust get your shot and be quiet
Again? LoLGums pm me when you get a chance forgot how to start one Thanks
Only full blown communists and people from MN still believe that the experimental injections work.Many people are starting to realize they've been lied to over and over. It's only the stubborn, willfully ignorant ones who refuse to see what's actually happening.
Has anyone actually heard anything from the company or the union about them forcing a vaccine mandate? Y’all are talking about going on strike before any statements have been made. We’re not Southwest Airlines…yet.
Labor Secretary Marty Walsh said "most truckers" will be spared from Biden's vaccine mandate.Trucking industry hails 'huge victory' after Labor Secretary says most truckers will be exempt from Biden's vaccine mandate
President Joe Biden's COVID-19 vaccine mandate will not apply to truckers who work alone or exclusively outdoors, CNBC reported.www.yahoo.com
I’m with you that when the time arises we need to do that. I just think it’s jumping the gun to have a strike before the company even does anything. I say let them make the first move.These things have to be fought in the court of public opinion. If the union and company get the message that we are willing to strike, they will make the right decision the first go round. Easier to get it right the first time than to have to fight the wrong decision after the fact.
I’m with you that when the time arises we need to do that. I just think it’s jumping the gun to have a strike before the company even does anything. I say let them make the first move.
I would consider what Southwest Airlines employees did as a success. The company started out by saying they were forcing the vaccines. Then the resistance. Then the CEO comes out and walks back his prior statements. That to me is the correct way to do it.
For enforcing an illegal mandate that uses an administrative agency to circumvent the constitutional legislative process?
For breaking the law while trampling on the rights of its employee?
For allowing the government to turn it into an unconstitutional enforcement arm of the government to enforce things the government can't enforce?
For threatening the livelihood of union workers in the process of all of the above
We should strike UPS for that, and stand in solidarity with our union brothers and sisters across the country in standing up for our jobs and our bodily autonomy.
You knew when you signed up for a union job that you might have to go on strike. No one's forcing you to go on strike, if you don't want to strike, you can get a non-union job.
There are plenty of employers who have caved to the pretend mandates and taken illegal action of their own accord.
One way or another, if the company doesn't do the right thing, a lot of people will need to be prepared to have their incomes disrupted.
Emergency injunctive relief has been about 50/50 on the current law suits.
particularly if there was no bargaining over the mandates
due to the illegal mandates
Anything's possible, but I guess it's great strategy to telegraph to businesses that union workers are unwilling to strike when necessary.
That's why I said, It's 50/50. It's all down to how good your lawyer is and the political affiliation of the judge.
There won't be a strike because union members are unwilling to use the single greatest tool in their tool box to stand up for their rights against a totalitarian government.
A lot who got the jab did so because they were told they would get their rights back, only to have them taken away again.
More people know people who have been hurt by the jab than were seriously affected by covid.
It's only the stubborn, willfully ignorant ones who refuse to see what's actually happening.
If the union and company get the message that we are willing to strike, they will make the right decision the first go round.
I'm not for striking before the company makes its position on the mandate clear.
Talking about it before that will help pressure the company to make the right decision.
Better they spend millions, along with other industry leaders, to fight the government than stand to lose 10's of millions in a strike.
They would of had to of known about the mandate but as an "essential" employer maybe they were sitting in on meetings that discussed that and they knew what was coming andThis is just a theory I have but UPS is hiring a ton of people, which they do every year. If they announce a vaccine mandate, it will be in January, when the volume drops off and they have a large number of seasonal workers to offset any brown outs. They won’t say a word until after peak.
There is hope for this country..Great news 5th circuit court just ordered a temporary halt of lets go brandons bs mandate
Breaking what law? You're expecting a private Company to decide on what is law and what is not?
You expect a private Company to tell the Government what is constitutional and what is not? A private Company just follows the law. They will follow a mandate until it is proven unconstitutional and removed.
Threatening the livelihood of Union workers? How? You don't want to get the vaccine, you're welcome to find another job at a Company that wants to defy the Government.
Strike UPS for following a mandate issued by the Federal Government? You're insane.
If you don't want to get a vaccine, you're welcome to find another job.
Pretend mandates? Only if the courts say so. We'll see.
The right thing? Defy the Government before it goes through the legal process of the courts?
So, it is 50/50. You want UPS to take a chance on a 50/50 gamble?
The Union does not bargain over Federal law, or mandates. Federal law overrides the contract each, and every time.
They are not illegal until the Courts say they are.
It is you're opinion, and only you're opinion, to strike over a Federal mandate. Federal laws are not negotiated in the collective bargaining process.
You want UPS to take on the Government on a 50/50 guess? You're insane.
You have no idea what you are talking about. A strike is not used to stand up to the Government. You're insane.
In your opinion. I got the jab to prevent hospitalization and death.
Wrong again. I know nobody affected by the vaccine. I know 3 people that died as a result, or side effect, of COVID.
What's happening? Bill Gates putting microchips in the vaccine? The vaccine going to kill everyone in 10 years? The vaccine magnetizing people?
What right decision? Fight the government? You're insane. You're welcome to find a job somewhere else. It's not up to the Union to strike UPS for following mandates issued by the Federal Government.
You expect the Company to go against a Government mandate? Easier to just get along...They can wash their hands. The Government says to get a vaccine, so get a vaccine. Why fight the Government? It would cost billions. And what if the Supreme Court upholds these mandates? UPS would be screwed for fighting them.
What right decision? The Government issues a mandate and you expect a private company to take on the government and go against a mandate?
Why would a private company spend millions to try and take on the government? You're insane. We are not striking over this. UPS is not requiring this, the Federal Government is.
The same with drug tests and DOT physicals. UPS is not requiring them, the Federal Government is. We have to comply.
It would hurt "their" corporations stock prices.Even if it doesn't go through what do you think will happen with all the poison they are going to pump into children?(who don't even get very ill from it)The poison which doesn't prevent or stop the spread.They would of had to of known about the mandate but as an "essential" employer maybe they were sitting in on meetings that discussed that and they knew what was coming and
There is hope for this country..
The osha spokesperson said this...
OSHA has the authority “to act quickly in an emergency where the agency finds that workers are subjected to a grave danger and a new standard is necessary to protect them,”
So shut us down now! Why wait ?
Breaking what law? You're expecting a private Company to decide on what is law and what is not?
You expect a private Company to tell the Government what is constitutional and what is not? A private Company just follows the law. They will follow a mandate until it is proven unconstitutional and removed.
Threatening the livelihood of Union workers? How? You don't want to get the vaccine, you're welcome to find another job at a Company that wants to defy the Government.
Strike UPS for following a mandate issued by the Federal Government? You're insane.
If you don't want to get a vaccine, you're welcome to find another job.
Pretend mandates? Only if the courts say so. We'll see.
The right thing? Defy the Government before it goes through the legal process of the courts?
So, it is 50/50. You want UPS to take a chance on a 50/50 gamble?
The Union does not bargain over Federal law, or mandates. Federal law overrides the contract each, and every time.
They are not illegal until the Courts say they are.
It is you're opinion, and only you're opinion, to strike over a Federal mandate. Federal laws are not negotiated in the collective bargaining process.
You want UPS to take on the Government on a 50/50 guess? You're insane.
You have no idea what you are talking about. A strike is not used to stand up to the Government. You're insane.
In your opinion. I got the jab to prevent hospitalization and death.
Wrong again. I know nobody affected by the vaccine. I know 3 people that died as a result, or side effect, of COVID.
What's happening? Bill Gates putting microchips in the vaccine? The vaccine going to kill everyone in 10 years? The vaccine magnetizing people?
What right decision? Fight the government? You're insane. You're welcome to find a job somewhere else. It's not up to the Union to strike UPS for following mandates issued by the Federal Government.
You expect the Company to go against a Government mandate? Easier to just get along...They can wash their hands. The Government says to get a vaccine, so get a vaccine. Why fight the Government? It would cost billions. And what if the Supreme Court upholds these mandates? UPS would be screwed for fighting them.
What right decision? The Government issues a mandate and you expect a private company to take on the government and go against a mandate?
Why would a private company spend millions to try and take on the government? You're insane. We are not striking over this. UPS is not requiring this, the Federal Government is.
The same with drug tests and DOT physicals. UPS is not requiring them, the Federal Government is. We have to comply.
You think a bunch of drivers who barely made it through high school are going to quit their $40/hr gig over a shot? We ain't striking. Cops and firefighters have been fired for it. Teamsters might be able to get you a medical or religious exemption. But most of us will end up vaccinated.
No, I expect them to hire lawyers to explain the law to them and the liability the expose themselves to by breaking it. Several states have laws against practicing medicine without a license, businesses are practicing medicine by ordering employees to get vaccinated. Even doctors can't force you to follow their medical advice. Most companies are not covered entities under HIPAA, so the privacy rule under HIPAA affirms our right to medical privacy from our employers. The ADA also protects our right to bodily autonomy free from interference from employers and the government. Invasion of privacy is a common law tort. Forced vaccination and testing constitute conspiracy to commit battery and coercion. 42 USC 1985 makes it a civil violation to conspire against any of a person's rights affirmed by law, statute, or constitutional amendment. 28 USC 241 makes the above a criminal offense. 42 USC 1983 makes makes it a civil violation to cooperate with the government in depriving people of rights. 28 USC 242 makes the above a criminal offense. Title 7 makes it a civil violation to discriminate against people for sincerely held beliefs, as confirmed by the EEOC. The Religious Freedom Restoration act makes the above a criminal offense. If a box slinger like me knows all that, lawyers with fancy degrees should know that as well.Breaking what law? You're expecting a private Company to decide on what is law and what is not?
I expect a competent private company to consult with the attorneys they hired so they will know they stand to lose much more to law suits from employees than they'll ever have to pay in unenforceable, fantasy fines issued by an administrative agency that has never had the authority to establish any such fantasy mandates, and certainly can not be made to do so by the executive branch as a means of unconstitutionally bypassing the legislative process. Especially when any such unconstitutional laws that might be passed by the legislative branch must be ignored, even before the courts adjudicate them, as established by legal precedent.You expect a private Company to tell the Government what is constitutional and what is not?
According to you, a private company has no way to determine what the law is, how can they follow it?A private Company just follows the law. They will follow a mandate until it is proven unconstitutional and removed.
Threatening the livelihood of Union workers? How? You don't want to get the vaccine, you're welcome to find another job at a Company that wants to defy the Government.
For enforcing a fake mandate that the government itself can't enforce? Yes. If I'm insane It's only evidenced by the fact that I voluntarily engage with people who are, themselves, insane. I don't expect to actually get through, though, and do it as an exercise in logic and reasoning, so at least I get something out of it.Strike UPS for following a mandate issued by the Federal Government? You're insane.
I also have the right to stay in the job that was offered to me and I've been doing for 14 years, the last almost two of which have been during a pandemic, which I was offered without the requirement of being vaccinated. If they told me 14 years ago they would be trampling on my rights, I would have selected a different career, and built up benefits there, not starting from scratch 14 years later. If you don't want to strike you are free to go get a non-union job.If you don't want to get a vaccine, you're welcome to find another job.
Mandates aren't a legal reality. They are, by definition, pretend. The 5th circuit has already enjoined the pretend mandates.Pretend mandates? Only if the courts say so. We'll see.
The right thing? Defy the Government before it goes through the legal process of the courts?
So, it is 50/50. You want UPS to take a chance on a 50/50 gamble?
The Union does not bargain over Federal law, or mandates. Federal law overrides the contract each, and every time.
Mandates are pretend, no need to wait for the courts to weigh in. Laws that are unconstitutional are void and must be ignored, whether a court has adjudicated or not. Marbury v Madison.They are not illegal until the Courts say they are.
We aren't talking about laws. We are talking about pretend mandates. See above for unconstitutional law.It is you're opinion, and only you're opinion, to strike over a Federal mandate. Federal laws are not negotiated in the collective bargaining process.
You want UPS to take on the Government on a 50/50 guess? You're insane.
You have no idea what you are talking about. A strike is not used to stand up to the Government. You're insane.
In your opinion. I got the jab to prevent hospitalization and death.
Wrong again. I know nobody affected by the vaccine. I know 3 people that died as a result, or side effect, of COVID.
What's happening? Bill Gates putting microchips in the vaccine? The vaccine going to kill everyone in 10 years? The vaccine magnetizing people?
What right decision? Fight the government? You're insane. You're welcome to find a job somewhere else. It's not up to the Union to strike UPS for following mandates issued by the Federal Government.
You expect the Company to go against a Government mandate? Easier to just get along...They can wash their hands. The Government says to get a vaccine, so get a vaccine. Why fight the Government? It would cost billions. And what if the Supreme Court upholds these mandates? UPS would be screwed for fighting them.
What right decision? The Government issues a mandate and you expect a private company to take on the government and go against a mandate?
To avoid bankruptcy from law suit judgments.Why would a private company spend millions to try and take on the government?
You're a jelly fish, a Chinese dictatorhip loving jelly fish.You're insane.
The federal government is pretending to issue a fake mandate. If UPS enforces it, they will end up going bankrupt due to law suit judgments.We are not striking over this. UPS is not requiring this, the Federal Government is.
I've never taken a drug test for UPS. I'm not surprised that you've taken so many you think the government requires them. You are clearly on something. You should try to hide it better so they will stop testing you all the time.The same with drug tests and DOT physicals. UPS is not requiring them, the Federal Government is. We have to comply.