Want PVDs next year?

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by RuthlessSupSlayer, Jan 10, 2020.


Would you want PVDs next year?

  1. Yes

  2. No

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  1. At first, I thought this was a problem. I wondered why they didn't just rent a truck like Amazon Flex Drivers do. But I had to adapt, so I started to find the smaller packages/smalls and give them all to the PVD driver.

    At the end, it worked out just fine. I delivered the bigger boxes (which isn't a problem, more money for me) and they took off a lot of work out of my truck.

    PVDs are underrated.
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  2. What are you talking about son?

    It doesn't defeat any purpose, at all. The stop count is lowered at the end of the day by the PVD driver. So what if you have to go to the same area? All the other 20 stops in the same area are delivered already.
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  3. Wilson1397

    Wilson1397 Half the lies they tell about me aren't true!!

    When that other area is 20 miles out of the way it matters!!
  4. Yeah, helpers are going to be on the decline. PVDs are better.
  5. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    If you have to go out of your way and waste 30 minutes to an hour to deliver 2 or 3 stops then you lose whatever gains the PVD might have provided.

  6. Bud, nothing personal, but you are probably on your way out of UPS or near retirement judging by your name. Maybe you say this because you remember a time when UPS was at the height of it's power, and online competition (aka Amazon) wasn't a thing.

    But fast-forward into the not-too-distant future, and it's a whole different ball game. We have to compete with Amazon. Amazon doesn't have a union, we do.

    If we don't evolve, UPS will go bust.
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  7. It's called "Easy Money". Unless your route has some other problem that driving 20 miles and making easy money is an issue?
  8. BadIdeaGuy

    BadIdeaGuy Don't discriminate against blind preloaders

    Competing with Amazon does not/should not have to include selling package car drivers out.

    You can dress it up however you want, but introducing PVDs is just UPS taking the first steps of eliminating the skilled job, and turning it into some sort of Uber/lyft setup for much cheaper wages.
  9. How? You still make the same money, it's just less work for you. You are replacing stop count with driving time.....
  10. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    You don't understand.

    Not less work.

    Extra work in addition to an already full day.

    They won't reduce stop counts to take in account that wasted time.
  11. TearsInRain

    TearsInRain IE boogeyman

    So delivering 200+ out of a brown PC during peak is cool, but 100 out of my car isn’t?

    yah okay lol
  12. Ok, so then how would you do it?

    If you have a driver, like an Amazon flex driver, that Amazon doesn't pay health insurance to, or top rate wages, or anything else that our contract offers..... and you have a Full Time RCPD driver that has all the cost benefits that UPS offers....how do you compete with Amazon so that you don't go bankrupt?

    I am a Union guy 100%, but I'm also seeing into the future. Money isn't unlimited at UPS. Debt matters. If the company goes under, we will all suffer the consequences.

    Maybe it's ok that we have a different class of drivers, that offers more price flexibility for UPS. In a perfect world, this wouldn't happen. I agree. But we have to stay in the real world.
  13. Yikes. Then in that case, yeah. That sucks.
  14. TearsInRain

    TearsInRain IE boogeyman

    Amazon’s delivery model isn’t as good as they make it look

    the $80/hr loaded wage rate driver thing isn’t a great idea either, but the best answer isn’t to copy amazons :censored2:ty uber idea

    somewhere in between is the way
  15. Wilson1397

    Wilson1397 Half the lies they tell about me aren't true!!

    The purpose of the PVD is so I don’t have to do my time consuming sections and am condensed so I can deliver more. If I have to go there to do 2-3 stops a day it kind of defeats the purpose.
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  16. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    Amazon is more of a short term solution until they figure out what they are doing. Not something to be copied.
  17. I tend to agree. The point is, something has to evolve. Staying the same as in the past, during the "good old days", isn't going to cut it.

    That's the point of Capitalism. Competition and evolution is part and parcel of Capitalism. Companies that don't evolve, die.
  18. Poop Head

    Poop Head Lovin' every minute of it!

    It just looks wierd!
  19. Queso

    Queso Member

    A lot of people in here trying to talk crap about PVD’s don’t even understand the most basic concepts of economics
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  20. MyTripisCut

    MyTripisCut Dumpster, INABAG

    Is this it? You use your own car that you paid to maintain and the gas that you bought, but we’re still supposed to consider you a “seasonal” driver and not a subcontractor? Got it.