moreluck
golden ticket member
Oh and what's that I hear....."Oh babe, I don't have a condom, c'mon, just let me please....c'mon babe...." Condom up or don't go near a female. Irresponsible statement if you ask me.
Abortion
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cachsux
Wah
Abstinence, birth control pills, morning after pills. Three chances for the woman. What can the man do after he's done? Garden hose and a shop vac?
It's 50/50.
cachsux
Wah
You do know along with the right to vote also came the right to swing by Walgreens and grab some condoms for your purse? Or birth control pills, morning after pills, the female condom, the shot (6 month and 1 year),etc.
YES!!!!! Men should be responsible..................as should the women.
P.s. where are these "c'mon baby" type women? Never came across one like that. Is it a California thing?
menotyou
bella amicizia
Snip-Snip!!
moreluck
golden ticket member
Technically, you are mis-informed!
trplnkl
555
Rape or incest are two possible situations where I might vary from my anti-abortion stance. I still can't be in favor of those abortions but I can't blame them because the woman is usually an unwilling participant.
How do you come to the conclusion of when life begins?
Dave you are contradicting yourself in two posts, in one you contradict yourself in the same sentence. When you are saying a woman shouldn't be forced to carry an unwanted child to term IS a form of birth control for convenience. Doesn't matter how one looks at abortion, it is a form of birth control. The only thing that varies is the reason.
Who do you think are adopting the unwanted new born babies? I would be willing to bet few of them come from the pro-abortion camp.
The adoption agencies are in place to TRY and insure that people adopting children are not monsters that do horrible things to children.
I think BOTH are a responsibility of the individuals that created them. I was concerned over the killing of unborn children long before I knew there we republicans and democrats.
That doesn't stop the fact that the female has already made the choice to have unprotected sex, full well knowing that she may get pregnant.
The freedom of choice was when the heavy breathing was going on.
That is the problem with social liberals that want everyone to act anyway they want with no responsibility for their actions. I say if you make a mistake Human Up and that care of their responsibilities. As I asked Cach, who do you think are adopting the unwanted babies? Probably social conservatives.
Where do you get that twisted logic? What social law, is that a canadian thing? There shouldn't be a child allowance anyway.
Your are absolutely correct this should be a shared responsibility and it both parties should be involved with the birth and support equally. It's too easy to prove who the sperm donor is not to force...YES FORCE.. the man to support their child. Any male that refuses to do so has no right to call themselves a man. Again, adoption of a wonderful thing.
Klein, that was uncalled for and out of line. You owe Moreluck apology.
moreluck
golden ticket member
I can't keep track of the different guys who've mentioned a woman either putting school or putting their careers or life on hold.......You do know that most pregnant women go about life as usual....including work, school or whatever? It's very rare where they have to be bedridden for months.....usually multiples.
Pregnancy is not a sickness or a disease. The MOM is nourishing that LIFE from the very moment of conception.....she becomes a mom then and the baby is a person then too. There is no magic line that's crossed over in 2 or 3 months that qualifies the baby as a person.
I think heartbeat is a living person (At 18 days [when the mother is only four days late for her first menstrual period], and by 21 days it is pumping, through a closed circulatory system, blood whose type is different from that of the mother. J.M. Tanner, G. R. Taylor, and the Editors of Time-Life Books, Growth, New York: Life Science Library)
When you see specials on invitro, they put an egg and sperm in a petri dish.....when fertilization takes place, the doctor says, you're pregnant! That means you are parents at that point to me.
Pregnancy is not a sickness or a disease. The MOM is nourishing that LIFE from the very moment of conception.....she becomes a mom then and the baby is a person then too. There is no magic line that's crossed over in 2 or 3 months that qualifies the baby as a person.
I think heartbeat is a living person (At 18 days [when the mother is only four days late for her first menstrual period], and by 21 days it is pumping, through a closed circulatory system, blood whose type is different from that of the mother. J.M. Tanner, G. R. Taylor, and the Editors of Time-Life Books, Growth, New York: Life Science Library)
When you see specials on invitro, they put an egg and sperm in a petri dish.....when fertilization takes place, the doctor says, you're pregnant! That means you are parents at that point to me.
cachsux
Wah
Before hand, yes. Kind of tough during.
Foreplay?
trplnkl
555
stay focused klein, we're talking about abortions here, not personal hygiene.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Klein, the woman takes the "day after pill" orally (of course, had she done that instead, she wouldn't be in this situation, but I digress) and the fertilized egg is flushed out when she urinates.
cachsux
Wah
Actually they put a bunch of them in a dish in in an attempt to get some to be fertilized. Then they take a number of those and inject them to try and get one to implant in the walls of the uterus. It is common practice once they have conformation of implantation and growth to "weed out" the lesser embryos.
"Embryos are failed by the embryologist based on the amount of cells, evenness of growth and degree of fragmentation. The number to be transferred depends on the number available, the age of the woman and other health and diagnostic factors. In countries such as Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand, a maximum of two embryos are transferred except in unusual circumstances. In the UK and according to HFEA regulations, a woman over 40 may have up to three embryos transferred, whereas in the USA, younger women may have many embryos transferred based on individual fertility diagnosis. Most clinics and country regulatory bodies seek to minimise the risk of pregnancies carrying multiples. As it is not uncommon for more implantations to take than desired, the next step faced by the expectant mother is that of selective abortion. The embryos judged to be the "best" are transferred to the patient's uterus through a thin, plastic catheter, which goes through her vagina and cervix. Several embryos may be passed into the uterus to improve chances of implantation and pregnancy."
If every fertilized egg is a life then isn't it a bit hypocritical to choose which ones to keep?
moreluck
golden ticket member
If there's a pregnancy in a petri dish, believe me, that woman was trying like crazy to get pregnant and wants more than anything to be in "that situation", not get rid of it.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Klein was talking about the day after pill and said the procedure takes place in a petri dish, which it does not. Try to keep up.
moreluck
golden ticket member
: Abortion
Originally Posted by klein
What happens to that petri-dish after they add the "day after pill"
I brought up the petri dish with invitro procedures. Klein answered it with that ridiculous statement.....you keep up. Klein derailed it, not me.
PT Stewie
"Big Fella"
Don't Tell Baby's Sex to Prevent 'Sex Selection' AbDoctors should not tell pregnant women the sex of their baby until 30 weeks into a pregnancy, one physician is arguing, taking a stance that is sure to be controversial.
By not revealing a fetus' sex, doctors could prevent abortions related to the sex of the baby, according to Dr. Rajendra Kale, interim editor-in-chief of the Canadian Medical Association Journal. The practice of "sex selection," or the aborting of female fetuses because of a preference for sons, is an issue in several Asian countries, and may also be done by some immigrants in Canada and the United States, Kale said.
"A pregnant woman being told the sex of the fetus at ultrasonography at a time when an unquestioned abortion is possible is the starting point" of sex selection, Kale wrote in the editorial published online today ortions, Doctor Says
Currently, most pregnant women in the United States get an ultrasound between 18 and 22 weeks of pregnancy that looks for fetal anomalies, and learn the sex of their baby at that time.
Kale pointed to research in Canada and the United States indicating that immigrants in certain ethnic groups, including people from China, Korea and India, selectively abort female fetuses: couples who have two daughters are more likely to have a son as their third child than would be excepted if left to chance.
Ethical concerns
Two large organizations of doctors — the Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Canada, and the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists — agree that sex selection is unethical.
Still, withholding information about the sex of a fetus from a woman is also not ethical, according to the ACOG. "Because a patient is entitled to obtain personal medical information, including information about the sex of her fetus, it will sometimes be impossible for health care professionals to avoid unwitting participation in sex selection," according to a 2007 ACOG committee report.
But Kale argued that although a woman has a right to information about herself as it relates to her health and medical care, the sex of the fetus is medically irrelevant information, and does not affect the care of the pregnant woman or her unborn child. The only exception should be in cases of rare, sex-linked illnesses, Kale said.
What could be done
While the problem of sex selection in Canada and the United States is likely small, it should not be ignored, according to Kale, a native of Mumbai, India.
The organizations that govern physicians in Canada should adopt policies that limit disclosure of fetal sex by health professionals to after 30 weeks, Kale said.
Pass it on: To prevent sex selection, doctors should not disclose the sex of the baby until after the mother is 30 weeks pregnant.
By not revealing a fetus' sex, doctors could prevent abortions related to the sex of the baby, according to Dr. Rajendra Kale, interim editor-in-chief of the Canadian Medical Association Journal. The practice of "sex selection," or the aborting of female fetuses because of a preference for sons, is an issue in several Asian countries, and may also be done by some immigrants in Canada and the United States, Kale said.
"A pregnant woman being told the sex of the fetus at ultrasonography at a time when an unquestioned abortion is possible is the starting point" of sex selection, Kale wrote in the editorial published online today ortions, Doctor Says
Currently, most pregnant women in the United States get an ultrasound between 18 and 22 weeks of pregnancy that looks for fetal anomalies, and learn the sex of their baby at that time.
Kale pointed to research in Canada and the United States indicating that immigrants in certain ethnic groups, including people from China, Korea and India, selectively abort female fetuses: couples who have two daughters are more likely to have a son as their third child than would be excepted if left to chance.
Ethical concerns
Two large organizations of doctors — the Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Canada, and the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists — agree that sex selection is unethical.
Still, withholding information about the sex of a fetus from a woman is also not ethical, according to the ACOG. "Because a patient is entitled to obtain personal medical information, including information about the sex of her fetus, it will sometimes be impossible for health care professionals to avoid unwitting participation in sex selection," according to a 2007 ACOG committee report.
But Kale argued that although a woman has a right to information about herself as it relates to her health and medical care, the sex of the fetus is medically irrelevant information, and does not affect the care of the pregnant woman or her unborn child. The only exception should be in cases of rare, sex-linked illnesses, Kale said.
What could be done
While the problem of sex selection in Canada and the United States is likely small, it should not be ignored, according to Kale, a native of Mumbai, India.
The organizations that govern physicians in Canada should adopt policies that limit disclosure of fetal sex by health professionals to after 30 weeks, Kale said.
Pass it on: To prevent sex selection, doctors should not disclose the sex of the baby until after the mother is 30 weeks pregnant.
klein
Für Meno :)
I did not say it took place in a petri-dish !
I basically said the day after pill basically kills life (as some of these righties here call it) - which in turn should be illegal in the US if it's considered life.
