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av8torntn
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Again you made the claim that people would be left to die without Medicare so the question still remains. Do you think that people were just left to die before 1965? Enough of your false emotional arguments show me the money.
And yes many of them want the federal government out of the education business.
klein
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No, but it does pay in Canadian dollars, and they go much further in purchasing power in the US then they do here.
Ever notice, some states have more or less money then other states ?
klein
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Did ya ever notice that nothing bad ever happens in the part of Canada that Klein lives in?
That's because he's gone all the time!!
Yeah, who wants to go to Maui, Hawaii ? 5 Star resort. Share Suite with me. (has 1 kingsize and 1 queensize bed, living room, kitchen)
$600 for the week (may 2nd - may 9th). Oceanfront and Oceanview Suite. (normal price $500+ per night).
Six hundo for a week in Maui is a pretty sweet deal. How did you swing that?
klein
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I haven't yet. Need someone to share the costs.
My airmiles has a Hawaii Deal going on until March 20th (this Saturday). Must be booked by then.
The suite sleeps 4 comfortable.
It's the deluxe 1 bedroom suite. (king in bedroom, queen hide-a-bed in living room).
Here is the resort :
https://www.diamondresorts.com/Ka'anapali-Beach-Club
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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I thought the dollar and the loonie were back to if not awfully close to par.
klein
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They are at par, basically (98 cents). But, look at it this way : If you been to Europe recently and paid $1.37 for a Euro, or only getting 60 Euro cents per US dollar. That is how it was for Canadans, going to the US.
Your food, booze, restaurant, hotel, cig. prices are up to half the price then here, with being at par now.
If I would have told you 8 mths ago, I earn $1000 a week... well in US dollars that would have only been $700.
Now, it's $1000 ! Nice increase in wages (atleast if you visit USA or shop online on american websites).
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Nearly One-Third of Doctors Could Leave Medicine if Obamacare Passes, New England Journal of Medicine Says
By Christopher Neefus
(CNSNews.com) - Nearly one-third of all practicing physicians may leave the medical profession if President Obama signs current versions of health-care reform legislation into law, according to a survey published in the latest issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.
The survey, which was conducted by the Medicus Firm, a leading physician search and consulting firm based in Atlanta and Dallas, found a majority of physicians said health-care reform would cause the quality of American medical care to “deteriorate” and it could be the “final straw” that sends a sizeable number of doctors out of medicine.
More than 29 percent (29.2) percent of the nearly 1,200 doctors who responded to the survey said they would quit the profession or retire early if health reform legislation becomes law. If a public option were included in the legislation, as several liberal Senators have indicated they would like, the number would jump to 45.7 percent.
By Christopher Neefus
(CNSNews.com) - Nearly one-third of all practicing physicians may leave the medical profession if President Obama signs current versions of health-care reform legislation into law, according to a survey published in the latest issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.
The survey, which was conducted by the Medicus Firm, a leading physician search and consulting firm based in Atlanta and Dallas, found a majority of physicians said health-care reform would cause the quality of American medical care to “deteriorate” and it could be the “final straw” that sends a sizeable number of doctors out of medicine.
More than 29 percent (29.2) percent of the nearly 1,200 doctors who responded to the survey said they would quit the profession or retire early if health reform legislation becomes law. If a public option were included in the legislation, as several liberal Senators have indicated they would like, the number would jump to 45.7 percent.
tieguy
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maybe we can set up a shuttle bus service to mexico for canadians when this thing passes.
klein
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So, let them quit. Creates more jobs instantly.
30% who cares ? The docs that stay will earn more money, maybe work an extra hr per day , or a Saturday).
Don't even have to pay Unemployment for them, or SS, until they are of legal retirement age.
How many workers everywhere else, in any employment sector, wouldn't volunteer to work an extra hr per day, or a Saturday ? Just look at yourselfs !
Give potential medical students a break on tution, and in no time the whole problem is solved.
Think about UPS, if 30% quit today...they would do better then today.
Hire new ones, that will work for less. Esspecially, if they are the seniors, like that article says... early retirement for a lot of docs..
Again, let them go !
Tie: Go ahead, start your shuttle service, heck, why not start it now ? Just to the US. You can always expand to Mexico in the future. Mind you, you'll go broke before then.... with empty buses going back and forth to the US medical clinics from Canada.
If it is such a money maker, why hasn't anyone done that , yet ?
It would take someone pretty much without knowledge to even think of that.
Someone like you, I guess.
av8torntn
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How long does it take in Canada to get through medical school? I think we may have figured out why you guys get such poor health care up there. Also what medical schools do not get more applicants than seats?
klein
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Yeah, AV8, Your medical seats are all taken up, and thats why americans come here to get a medical degree.
I guess , I answered both questions in 1 sentence, and the US is lucky, that we constribute so much to your medical workforce and education:
Here is a piece of an article :
The Canadian contribution to the US physician workforce
We found that Canada contributed about 186 active, direct-patient care physicians to the US health care system annually .
Americans who graduated from Canadian medical schools accounted for 14.2% (1161/8153) of these physicians. Nearly half (47.8%) of the Canadian-educated physicians in the United States graduated from 3 Canadian medical schools: McGill University, the University of Toronto and the University of Manitoba .
Canadian-educated specialists who practised in direct patient care in the United States in 2006 represented nearly one-fifth (19.3%) of the Canadian specialist workforce and Canadian-educated primary care physicians who provided direct patient care represented 8.0% of the Canadian primary care workforce.
more: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1839794/
This is also very interessting, so your hardline anti-Canadian Healthcare can get some facts straight :
Advice to U.S. from Canadian Doctors for Medicare
National doctors' organization tells Americans – after more than four decades of direct experience – that Canadians know Medicare works.
Ottawa (25 Aug. 2009) - Canadian Doctors for Medicare (CDM) stepped into Canada's national health care debate in 2006 when a group of physicians and friends became concerned about the increased privatization in health care and the emergence of a two-tier health care system that would allow the wealthy to buy private insurance for private care at the expense of the vast majority of Canadians.
Canadian Doctors for Medicare recently hosted a celebration of Medicare in Canada. Speakers included Roy Romanow, former Saskatchewan Premier and Commissioner on Health Care in Canada. This video has been prepared by CDM in the context of the current debate over health care in the United States.
The video tells Americans, while reminding Canadians, that the Canadian universal health care works and it encourages Americans on behalf of the doctors who belong to CDM to follow Canada's example (now in operation for more than 40 years) by implementing a single payer universal health care system.
[video=youtube;DXXBCFnhsUc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXXBCFnhsUc[/video]
av8torntn
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Actually you did not answer either question. Does that mean that you now admit that you were wrong?
Since there are about 825,000 doctors in this Country the hundred of so that get trained up there is not much of a contribution.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Ok say these doctors quit the system, that could mean that they stop seeing people with medical insurance. Only people who pay cash ( the very rich ) will be able to be seen by these doctors . Creating a snowball effect within the entire medical community, if a doctor wants to make a good wage then going private will be his only option.
Thus leaving those who stay within the system, with more & more people to be treated by fewer & fewer doctors.
Thus leaving those who stay within the system, with more & more people to be treated by fewer & fewer doctors.
klein
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If you couldn't figure out that our medical schools, have extra room to train american students from the above, then that's sad.
Also if you couldn't figure out, that close to 200 US doctors graduate here per year, along Canadian Students, what makes you think, the Canadians Doctors have less training, and constribute to poorer healthcare ?
200 per year is not enourmous, but given the fact, it's atleast a 5 year study... thats 1000 US Medical Students here at any giving time.
And, I bet some more in England. Oxford for example.
We actually have great healthcare here, just the problem with waiting at times.
But, that has been reduced, and the next UN rating Survey of Quailty of Healthcare by Country, will prove it. We will notch down on the scale... atleast a spot or 2.
Can you say that for the US ? I doubt it.
tieguy
Banned
you're referring to the constant influx of canadian patients our american doctors practice on?
tieguy
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I think we figured it out when we saw their patients screaming across the border seeking competent medical care.
av8torntn
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I suppose that it was to much to ask for an answer to my questions.
Interesting so your claim now is that if 250000 doctors stopped practicing medicine that 200 a year coming from Canada is somehow a good thing? Very strange indeed.
In the real world if demand remains constant and you decrease supply it has a relationship to price. Can I get a guess as to what that relationship may be? In a Country like yours the government uses it's force to limit demand by creating long waits for the services your people need. A better system would be a free market. If you must have government involved you could demand that they limit barriers to the market.
What I can say for the US is that a "wait time" here is a couple hours not several months. This is a primary reason that we have vastly superior health care.
If the goal of our government was to reduce the costs for health care which it is not they would be looking for ways to reduce the fixed costs to provide the services (think tort reform), increase competition (think selling insurance across lines), decrease demand( think taxing health insurance), and increase supply(think something along the lines of allowing a PA to set up minor medical shops on their own).
Sounds to me like the republican plans that have been blocked by the Dims. Meanwhile the dims want to increase taxes, provide penalties to people who have adequate insurance, and provide more barriers to the markets while driving out current providers. Sounds stupid to me kinda like your system.
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