Income Inequality

[rickyb]

Now what makes me a conservative and not a liberal is I WON'T CRY ABOUT IT LIKE A LITTLE &!+€#.

i think it makes you something else...

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

I can't sing like B Mars or Michael Jackson. I can't play basketball like LeBron James. I can't play football like Marshawn Lynch. I can't hit a baseball like David Ortiz. I don't have the business savvy as Herman Cain.

I will make a fraction of the earnings of these men in my lifetime.

How fair is that?

Now what makes me a conservative and not a liberal is I WON'T CRY ABOUT IT LIKE A LITTLE &!+€#.

Inequality is why you can't do those things. And you can't find something else to excel at.

Sorry.....I had to try the other sides methods. I think I just vomited in my mouth.

 

[rickyb]

So, the American dream is to be rich? But I thought the rich were just evil people that only got their riches by luck and/or illegal means? So am I right in saying that those that despise the 1% aspire to be the very thing they despise? And what inequality are you speaking of? At America's worst ANYONE can reach the top of they really want to and don't give up. Inequality is just a lame excuse for those that haven't done that. Even if all corporations were on the level the very same people that are crying about inequality now would still be in their current plight. You can count on that.

Let me guess....next you'll be referring to the haves and have nots? Well don't bother because we've just covered what the difference is between them is. So, there's no need to stick with the Rules for Radical playbook at this point. It has failed you.

the system is not delivering the equality most americans want.

did u watch the video?

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

That bottom line here is that it doesn't matter how many corporations behave and how many don't because the real problem is personal behavior and responsibility. Too many people are limiting themselves by crying about things that have little to no bearing on their own lives.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

the system is not delivering the equality most americans want.

did u watch the video?

They system isn't supposed to deliver anything. It's up to the individual to use that system to better themselves. I mean you don't stand next to a treadmill and wait for it to make you get on and correctly operate it and run do you? No.....of course not.

 

[realbrown1]

Inequality is why you can't do those things. And you can't find something else to excel at.

Sorry.....I had to try the other sides methods. I think I just vomited in my mouth.

I get you.

It's frustrating trying to point out FACTS to people who have already made up their mind and don't ever consider changing it even if new information is availabe.

BTW, because of hard work and being fortunate enough to work at UPS and be a teamster, I think I have done better than any person in my extended families. Even though there are about 4 college grads in there, they either don't make what I do working 48-50 hrs a week. Or they don't have the benefits that I do.
And although I did attend college, but dropped out to make more money for my wife and soon to be born son, I never had a dime of college debt thanks to the GI Bill and me paying what was left.
So I can't complain, and wouldn't ever want to being this fortunate.
Now if we could just get some of these lifetime welfare recipients to get off their butts, and want to get a job, our nation would be better off.

 

[rickyb]

No.....of course not.

what does that say about u?

and yes the system is, which is why we dont have slavery and have capitalism which delivers better standards of living.

 

[rickyb]

That bottom line here is that it doesn't matter how many corporations behave and how many don't because the real problem is personal behavior and responsibility. Too many people are limiting themselves by crying about things that have little to no bearing on their own lives.

u limit yourself because u dont cry, u just take it up the butt and believe that you are free when ur not. go to the streets and protest; its been the only corrective in american democracy.

 

[olroadbeech]

im in the top one percent and have got my guns ready.

 

[oldngray]

u limit yourself because u dont cry, u just take it up the butt and believe that you are free when ur not. go to the streets and protest; its been the only corrective in american democracy.

The United States is not a democracy. It was never created to be one. Of course an alien like you wouldn't know that.

 

[rickyb]

The United States is not a democracy. It was never created to be one. Of course an alien like you wouldn't know that.

im well aware it was created by slave holding oligarchs who feared popular democracy.

 

[oldngray]

The more you think you know. The more you demonstrate how little you know.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

what does that say about u?

That I wouldn't set around whining about the success of others being the reason for my failure and would do something about it.

and yes the system is, which is why we dont have slavery and have capitalism which delivers better standards of living.

No, capitalism doesn't deliver anything. Those that produce and create deliver a better standard of living. They are the ones that got on the treadmill and knew how to operate it. Your kind is standing behind it whining because its not fair that the person on it has lost 30 lbs during the past 6 months and has better fitting clothes and lower blood pressure and wants the government to find a way to get you in such great shape but all you had to do was get your own treadmill, figure out how to use it, and use the damn thing and use it consistently.

 

[rickyb]

The more you think you know. The more you demonstrate how little you know.

ur lucky i talk to u at all with your poor track record of adding anything meaningful.

The Founding Fathers did lead the war for independence from Britain. But they did not do it for the equal right of all to life, liberty, and equality. Their intention was to set up a new government that would protect the property of slave owners, land speculators, merchants, and bondholders.

-howard zinn who wrote a peoples history of usa

The Founding Fathers, largely wealthy slaveholders, feared direct democracy. They rigged our political process to thwart popular rule and protect the property rights of the native aristocracy. The masses were to be kept at bay. The Electoral College, the original power of the states to appoint senators, the disenfranchisement of women, Native Americans, African-Americans and men without property locked most people out of the democratic process at the beginning of the republic. We had to fight for our voice. Hundreds of workers were killed and thousands were wounded in our labor wars. The violence dwarfed the labor battles in any other industrialized nation. The democratic openings we achieved were fought for and paid for with the blood of abolitionists, African-Americans, suffragists, workers and those in the anti-war and civil rights movements. Our radical movements, repressed and ruthlessly dismantled in the name of anti-communism, were the real engines of equality and social justice.

-chris hedges

 

[oldngray]

ur lucky i talk to u at all with your poor track record of adding anything meaningful.

The Founding Fathers did lead the war for independence from Britain. But they did not do it for the equal right of all to life, liberty, and equality. Their intention was to set up a new government that would protect the property of slave owners, land speculators, merchants, and bondholders.

-howard zinn who wrote a peoples history of usa

The Founding Fathers, largely wealthy slaveholders, feared direct democracy. They rigged our political process to thwart popular rule and protect the property rights of the native aristocracy. The masses were to be kept at bay. The Electoral College, the original power of the states to appoint senators, the disenfranchisement of women, Native Americans, African-Americans and men without property locked most people out of the democratic process at the beginning of the republic. We had to fight for our voice. Hundreds of workers were killed and thousands were wounded in our labor wars. The violence dwarfed the labor battles in any other industrialized nation. The democratic openings we achieved were fought for and paid for with the blood of abolitionists, African-Americans, suffragists, workers and those in the anti-war and civil rights movements. Our radical movements, repressed and ruthlessly dismantled in the name of anti-communism, were the real engines of equality and social justice.

-chris hedges

You quote a couple of your usual socialist sources? You really need to start thinking for your self. And the correct answer to my previous statement is - The United States is not a democracy. It is a republic.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

You really need to start thinking for your self.

Did you of all people really just post this?

 

[oldngray]

Did you of all people really just post this?

Apparently you already knew the answer so did you really post THIS?

 

[rickyb]

You quote a couple of your usual socialist sources? You really need to start thinking for your self. And the correct answer to my previous statement is - The United States is not a democracy. It is a republic.

here ill quote the founding fathers themselves:

"When I mention the public, I mean to include only the rational part of it. The ignorant and vulgar are as unfit to judge of the modes [of government], as they are unable to manage [its] reins."

President of the Continental Congress and first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, John Jay "The people who own the country ought to govern it."

In the debates on the Constitution, Madison pointed out that if elections in England" were open to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place," giving land to the landless. The Constitutional system must be designed to prevent such injustice and "secure the permanent interests of the country," which are property rights.


The people are a "great beast" that must be tamed, his colleague Alexander Hamilton declared. Rebellious and independent farmers had to be taught, sometimes by force, that the ideals of the revolutionary pamphlets were not to be taken too seriously. The common people were not to be represented by countrymen like themselves, who know the people's sores, but by gentry, merchants, lawyers, and other "responsible men" who could be trusted to defend privilege.


Among Madisonian scholars, there is a consensus that "the Constitution was intrinsically an aristocratic document designed to check the democratic tendencies of the period," delivering power to a "better sort" of people and excluding those who were not rich, well born, or prominent from exercising political power (Lance Banning). The primary responsibility of government is "to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority," Madison declared. That has been the guiding principle of the democratic system from its origins until today.

Madison foresaw that the threat of democracy was likely to become more severe over time because of the increase in "the proportion of those who will labor under all the hardships of life, and secretly sigh for a more equal distribution of its blessings." They might gain influence, Madison feared. He was concerned by the "symptoms of a leveling spirit" that had already appeared, and warned "of the future danger" if the right to vote would place "power over property in hands without a share in it." Those "without property, or the hope of acquiring it, cannot be expected to sympathize sufficiently with its rights," Madison explained. His solution was to keep political power in the hands of those who "come from and represent the wealth of the nation," the "more capable set of men," with the general public fragmented and disorganized...

 

[oldngray]

here ill quote the founding fathers themselves:

"When I mention the public, I mean to include only the rational part of it. The ignorant and vulgar are as unfit to judge of the modes [of government], as they are unable to manage [its] reins."

President of the Continental Congress and first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, John Jay "The people who own the country ought to govern it."

In the debates on the Constitution, Madison pointed out that if elections in England" were open to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place," giving land to the landless. The Constitutional system must be designed to prevent such injustice and "secure the permanent interests of the country," which are property rights.


The people are a "great beast" that must be tamed, his colleague Alexander Hamilton declared. Rebellious and independent farmers had to be taught, sometimes by force, that the ideals of the revolutionary pamphlets were not to be taken too seriously. The common people were not to be represented by countrymen like themselves, who know the people's sores, but by gentry, merchants, lawyers, and other "responsible men" who could be trusted to defend privilege.


Among Madisonian scholars, there is a consensus that "the Constitution was intrinsically an aristocratic document designed to check the democratic tendencies of the period," delivering power to a "better sort" of people and excluding those who were not rich, well born, or prominent from exercising political power (Lance Banning). The primary responsibility of government is "to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority," Madison declared. That has been the guiding principle of the democratic system from its origins until today.

Madison foresaw that the threat of democracy was likely to become more severe over time because of the increase in "the proportion of those who will labor under all the hardships of life, and secretly sigh for a more equal distribution of its blessings." They might gain influence, Madison feared. He was concerned by the "symptoms of a leveling spirit" that had already appeared, and warned "of the future danger" if the right to vote would place "power over property in hands without a share in it." Those "without property, or the hope of acquiring it, cannot be expected to sympathize sufficiently with its rights," Madison explained. His solution was to keep political power in the hands of those who "come from and represent the wealth of the nation," the "more capable set of men," with the general public fragmented and disorganized...

And that quote is relevant how?

 

[rickyb]

And that quote is relevant how?

it supports that the founding fathers feared direct democracy and wanted the rich to rule. but i guess at your age u forgot what we were talking about.