Its simple

[Atomic_Smurf]

Yeah, the Democrats. I mean it's the same plan as was proposed and wholely supported by Republicans Mitt Romney in '08 and the entire Republican Congress in the 90's, but yeah this is all Democrats scheme. Be more of a right wing Hannity fan caricature, please. You realize of course that many supporters of Obama assumed, by his own words, that he would launch a public option in the form of radically expanded Medicare styled after European single payer socialized medicine, which is orders of magnitude better than our current situation, right? So that "too stupid to expect a tax" falls flat on its face.

Blaming ObamaCare on Republicans is a sure admission of its failure. Republicans had ideas to bring down costs (tort reform, expanding markets across state lines etc) but were told to sit in the back seat while the liberals schemed to fleece American workers of their earned healthcare benefits. Hardly a shared idea.

The socialist healthcare system is the end goal for the left as the ACA manages the decline of our own.
That managed decline goes beyond our healthcare system & is defining the Obama era from race relations to foreign policy, from our standard of living to Americas standing in the world.

 

[Chemo]

This is a pretty long thread that started with a false statement.

 

[Ron Carey lives on]

ACA, Dems, Corrupt Union officials, is Smurf's calling card. Talk about RTW, he answers with ACA. Talk to him about throwing his hat in the ring for office, he answers with Dems. Ask him if he is proud to be a union member, he blames it on rotton apple officials. What are your answers smurf? What has the wise and all knowing smurf contributed to reforming the middle class

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[Atomic_Smurf]

ACA, Dems, Corrupt Union officials, is Smurf's calling card. Talk about RTW, he answers with ACA. Talk to him about throwing his hat in the ring for office, he answers with Dems. Ask him if he is proud to be a union member, he blames it on rotton apple officials. What are your answers smurf? What has the wise and all knowing smurf contributed to reforming the middle class

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Start with truth. You can't fix the problems we face as a union, as a country & as a people without first knowing, understanding & acknowledging the truth. You RC are in a stalemate with reality & appear to be content remaining on the dumb side of validity. The middle class does not need "reform" RC, Washington does.

 

[Ron Carey lives on]

What kind of fighting chance does the middle class have, Dems and Republican s have an urgency to create laws that lower our voices, makes us numbers. You, sir or mam support RTW, therfore, you to make it harder to organize. Weaken membership and ultimately weaken bargaining power. You refuse to acknowledge this because it might somehow show you as disloyal to the far right. Im not scared to take on any politician who comes after my wallet

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[Ron Carey lives on]

Of all the things you could pound your fist about, you choose defending RTW. Tell your far to keep their government hands out of job, isn't that what you tea- partiers all about.

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[Atomic_Smurf]

Im not scared to take on any politician who comes after my wallet

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Yet you sit on your hands while liberals help themselves to yours & every other workers healthcare earnings.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

What kind of fighting chance does the middle class have, Dems and Republican s have an urgency to create laws that lower our voices, makes us numbers. You, sir or mam support RTW, therfore, you to make it harder to organize. Weaken membership and ultimately weaken bargaining power. You refuse to acknowledge this because it might somehow show you as disloyal to the far right.

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The union isn't our voice. If it were we'd all be happy about giving up more of our health benefits to Democrats. That's not my voice nor the voice of any of my coworkers with the exception of a few disengaged & hopeless Hoffa loving union stewards. RTW gives workers back their voice should they so choose, as opposed to union big mouths like Hoffa bad mouthing the tea party, offering our earned benefits as a tithe to the left & telling the most divisive president in history that "we are your army". RTW gives workers the ability to not allow their voice to be misused & misrepresented by communist pigs like Richard Trumka & James P. Hoffa. Idiots like that weaken & divide unions. Real leadership unites & causes people to want to join.

Why are you so content with loosing benefits to Democrat legislation? I always compare RTW to the ACA because you & other Obama loyalists seem completely happy sacrificing our benefits to leftists causes, all the while screaming about RTW. ObamaCare & ObamaCare alone has done more to hurt unions, union benefits & the families that depend on them than any RTW legislation ever could. RTW hasn't hurt unions in my RTW state or any other, ObamaCare has. That's the reality you refuse to address.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Tell your far to keep their government hands out of job, isn't that what you tea- partiers all about.

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I have no idea what you said here but thought it was worthy of a reply if for no other purpose than to highlight your post for the glittering jewel of colossal ignorance that it reflects. Keep up the good work. Lol.

 

[AnonyMusser]

Democrats this, Democrats that. Just stop typing and post Sean Hannity clips, you clearly don't think objectively or for yourself.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Democrats this, Democrats that. Just stop typing and post Sean Hannity clips, you clearly don't think objectively or for yourself.

...Sean Hanity was right about what the country would look like in Obamas second term. Certainly not what the hope & changers invisioned is it?

 

[Ron Carey lives on]

Of course ACA hurt negotiations. RTW was created to hurt negotiations by big business and thier lackeys in government. Stand up Tea Bagger, get government out of private unions. Didn't think so. I know you will accept the benefits I fight for, you hypocrite

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[Atomic_Smurf]

Of course ACA hurt negotiations. RTW was created to hurt negotiations by big business and thier lackeys in government. Stand up Tea Bagger, get government out of private unions. Didn't think so. I know you will accept the benefits I fight for, you hypocrite

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Thank you RC for finally admitting after months of beating it into your head that the Democrats key legislation stabbed us all in the back, but then you try to gloss over it with another lie. How did RTW hurt our negotiations? Be specific.

 

[Ron Carey lives on]

Lack of membership weakens COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. Corporations see members jumping ship, therefore they stonewall get tougher and cost us both money

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[Ron Carey lives on]

"For those who exhault themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted" Matthew 23:12

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[Ron Carey lives on]

"Finally" I have never once on Brown Cafe defended ACA

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Lack of membership weakens COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. Corporations see members jumping ship, therefore they stonewall get tougher and cost us both money

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Yep

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Lack of membership weakens COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. Corporations see members jumping ship, therefore they stonewall get tougher and cost us both money

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Yep

Where has this happened? Members aren't jumping ship & Certainly not the cause for our concessionary contract. Your hypothetical fails the reality test. Again.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

"Finally" I have never once on Brown Cafe defended ACA

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You've refused to acknowledge the damage it has done & poo-pooed any criticism for the people responsible, all the while railing against those that would repeal the anti-worker law. You have been defending Dems, Obama & the lefts agenda since day one. But now that you've admitted that we just have to get you to admit that RTW has had not a single negative impact on one worker in any state that its been passed. Ever. The same people who lied to everyone about healthcare are lying about RTW.

 

[AnonyMusser]

Where has this happened? Members aren't jumping ship & Certainly not the cause for our concessionary contract. Your hypothetical fails the reality test. Again.

Once again you're being obtuse. DUES PAYING members. People who don't pay aren't members in any true sense. A result of right to work states.